Anyone else catch this line from J. Denton column?

[CorneliusWolfe]

Chaim has never called it a rebuild. The media, especially Bernie, has.
I think we will compete this year. He’s clearing the roster but he’s got a plan and will have money to spend.

I've been in agreement w/you FS.

Once the dust settles and all the trades are completed I think the franchise will be in a much better place and (IMO) the 2026 squad will be better than the 2025 team by anywhere from 5 - 10 games!

Lotta deadweight is gone (Mikolas/Fedde soon NADO too?) and while we'll likely lose a good player in Donny, they'll add possibly an even better player in JJW!

From the same article:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said. “We’re trying to get back to a certain place and stay there. History has shown the way the Cardinals have always done that is with their young, talented core.”

The important thing is Bloom won't lose sight of the L-T plan even if he still wants to compete in 2026, that's rock solid.

I read it as - we're not going to make any decisions now to "compete" in 2026 that could compromise our ability to compete later. If a decision works for both, fine. If not, they take the path that supports the long term rebuild.

Then you read it correctly, but that apparently hasn’t stopped you from pissing all over any idea or thought that explores the “works for both” part.

[rockondlouie]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

Like many of have said, Bloom will not sacrifice the L-T goal of building from within the system but has all the intention of competing to win each and every year while still prioritizing the L-T.

You're on record as saying you don't mind losing 90-100 games, even if it takes till 2030/2031 for your re-build.

NO THANKS!

As I've told you ad nauseam, Bloom is capable of Walking (build for the L-T by dealing away players like Gray & Donny & NADO etal AND restocking the minor league system) & Chewing Gum (still try and win in the coming season...seasons).

Glad to read he's taking my approach and not yours since he's NOT willing to lose 90-100 games which assures you nothing by 2030/2031!

[Carp4Cy]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

I've consistently said they should be targeting AA or AAA prospects who are ML ready or close to it. Don't know where you are creating this A ball strawman from.

But yes they should be able to get guys with higher ceilings, which they need, if they are less "ML proven."

You don't want guys who might have 5 years of control because we might not be ready to win yet. You say this all the time. Your Brandon Clarke's are so far away they may never even make The Show.

There is nothing wrong with getting a guy with five years of team control. But if you have reduced the uncertainty in what they can/ will develop into - if you have made their floor more certain - you are not going to get as high of a potential ceiling for what you have to give up.

Donovan could bring you a high floor/medium ceiling guy like a Cameron, or you could prefer to get a prospect with a lower floor (more uncertainty) because they are just ML ready but haven't played in the majors yet, but who has a higher ceiling.

For Donovan you need to get the higher floor back. Make the other team earn it. Add another prospect if needed to get an even higher (if proven even) ceiling.

We can take low floor risks on other trades.

[renostl]

Chaim has never called it a rebuild. The media, especially Bernie, has.
I think we will compete this year. He’s clearing the roster but he’s got a plan and will have money to spend.

I've been in agreement w/you FS.

Once the dust settles and all the trades are completed I think the franchise will be in a much better place and (IMO) the 2026 squad will be better than the 2025 team by anywhere from 5 - 10 games!

Lotta deadweight is gone (Mikolas/Fedde soon NADO too?) and while we'll likely lose a good player in Donny, they'll add possibly an even better player in JJW!

From the same article:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said. “We’re trying to get back to a certain place and stay there. History has shown the way the Cardinals have always done that is with their young, talented core.”

The important thing is Bloom won't lose sight of the L-T plan even if he still wants to compete in 2026, that's rock solid.

Bloom cuts salary, it’s what he did in Boston.
The Cardinals lost their TV contract (50 million a year) and dropped a million in attendance…..News flash, the Cardinals will not spend money for 2-3 years …….especially not before a labor agreement is put into place.

The Cardinals are at least 3-5 years away from being competitive again, much less contenders.

That's not acceptable. If the Cards aren't competitive for another 3-5 years, Bloom will find himself fired, or more likely quit and find a better franchise.

I would tend to agree….but he is doing what the OWNER wants. The best way to get competitive again is if the Dewitt’s sold the team. Mo really screwed this team over, but if you don’t think he was given a firm budget number by BDW to operate under, well….you’re kidding yourself. 3-5 years plus a new labor agreement is what it’s going to take to make the Cardinals contenders again. Baseball is broken.

Baseball will also not be "fixed" in one CBA. The range of outcomes are known on both sides.

The owner whether we think he is the cheapest guy in the world or not
will want to revive demand for his product. I agree with C4C on this, and we both may be wrong.
However increased demand for a product has a vital place in any build. People care less about $10
bucks more for TV if there's demand.

I don't agree with this ownership critical POV. He has been outspent only by the Cubs occasionally
among teams in the central divisions. That's the team's economic environment. St. Louis and the surrounding
has very slow population growth. Missouri has an average wage of $54k, surrounded by AR at $48K, IA
at $53, TN $52K, KY at $51K and rural IL. NY and it surround $74K+, CA $73K higher in the cities.
St. Louis with their love for the Cards will often punch above that weight class. But demand is paramount.
Any new owner will face the same environment. You are betting on better business decisions AND
higher spending of those margins. Possible without guarantee nor longevity after the initial honeymoon.

LAD receives revenue from entire countries. The Cards bid a billion on a player and they will bid a billion
and one. I've been to car auctions with a guy like that in the crowd. Agree it needs a stronger fix beyond
the divisions sprouting out of less cost-of-living geographic regions and the current tax.

This is not defending Bill. He's at the top. He allowed MO to fail with a $178 million payroll as recent as 2024.
That was only behind the Cubs among those 10 teams, still above some teams in pricier economies.
We should, IMO, acknowledge a few hits in a row to revenue streams starting with Covid followed
by TV bankruptcy. Bill owns a little of that too it was their TV business decision. Seemed good at the time.

[mattmitchl44]

Chaim has never called it a rebuild. The media, especially Bernie, has.
I think we will compete this year. He’s clearing the roster but he’s got a plan and will have money to spend.

I've been in agreement w/you FS.

Once the dust settles and all the trades are completed I think the franchise will be in a much better place and (IMO) the 2026 squad will be better than the 2025 team by anywhere from 5 - 10 games!

Lotta deadweight is gone (Mikolas/Fedde soon NADO too?) and while we'll likely lose a good player in Donny, they'll add possibly an even better player in JJW!

From the same article:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said. “We’re trying to get back to a certain place and stay there. History has shown the way the Cardinals have always done that is with their young, talented core.”

The important thing is Bloom won't lose sight of the L-T plan even if he still wants to compete in 2026, that's rock solid.

I read it as - we're not going to make any decisions now to "compete" in 2026 that could compromise our ability to compete later. If a decision works for both, fine. If not, they take the path that supports the long term rebuild.

Then you read it correctly, but that apparently hasn’t stopped you from pissing all over any idea or thought that explores the “works for both” part.

I've never had a problem with works for both.

I just know how committing now to an age 30+ veteran FA on a long contract could easily be good short term but bad long term.

[mattmitchl44]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

This is what he said:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said.

[renostl]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

I've consistently said they should be targeting AA or AAA prospects who are ML ready or close to it. Don't know where you are creating this A ball strawman from.

But yes they should be able to get guys with higher ceilings, which they need, if they are less "ML proven."

You don't want guys who might have 5 years of control because we might not be ready to win yet. You say this all the time. Your Brandon Clarke's are so far away they may never even make The Show.

There is nothing wrong with getting a guy with five years of team control. But if you have reduced the uncertainty in what they can/ will develop into - if you have made their floor more certain - you are not going to get as high of a potential ceiling for what you have to give up.

Donovan could bring you a high floor/medium ceiling guy like a Cameron, or you could prefer to get a prospect with a lower floor (more uncertainty) because they are just ML ready but haven't played in the majors yet, but who has a higher ceiling.

For Donovan you need to get the higher floor back. Make the other team earn it. Add another prospect if needed to get an even higher (if proven even) ceiling.

We can take low floor risks on other trades.

Just for a measuring stick.

If we are set on getting pitching, those BTV's seem to have some inflation to
them with SP's. That's only partially wiped away by what appears a high demand for BD.

Is that accurate at all?

IF it is, Is it better to spend the value of BD on a now SP at the #3 level with
5 seasons of control or buy one for less seasons but a likelihood of needing to repeat
again in 2026 or 2027? Both cases the desire to improve the #3 pitchers production is there.

[BleedingBleu]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

That’s just the ABC’s of selling…

Always
Be
Closing

Coffee is for winners

[rockondlouie]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

This is what he said:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said.

Of course, same as I've been saying for months.

And he also said:

“Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

“[Bloom's] been clear about that, and he stated it well when he said we're not conceding anything in the immediate,” Marmol said. “I love the mentality because you can't lower the standard".

[mattmitchl44]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

This is what he said:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said.

Of course, same as I've been saying for months.

And he also said:

“Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

“[Bloom's] been clear about that, and he stated it well when he said we're not conceding anything in the immediate,” Marmol said. “I love the mentality because you can't lower the standard".

Sure - but we know they don't think they yet have the young core necessary to compete for a WS in 2026. That's what they are keeping their eye on when it comes to where the organization needs to be in the long term - that is what they "need to get back to." But if you acknowledge you need to get back there, you are not there now.

They will demand that every player in a Cardinals uniform go out and compete to win every game.

But I certainly don't think that means they are committing to go out and spend a lot of money this offseason to get the "stars" that would be necessary to really compete in 2026.

[Goldfan]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

What someone would say when Season Ticket Renewals are being canceled…

[dugoutrex]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

What someone would say when Season Ticket Renewals are being canceled…

is a tank called a rebuild?

[rockondlouie]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

This is what he said:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said.

Of course, same as I've been saying for months.

And he also said:

“Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

“[Bloom's] been clear about that, and he stated it well when he said we're not conceding anything in the immediate,” Marmol said. “I love the mentality because you can't lower the standard".

Sure - but we know they don't think they yet have the young core necessary to compete for a WS in 2026. That's what they are keeping their eye on when it comes to where the organization needs to be in the long term - that is what they "need to get back to." But if you acknowledge you need to get back there, you are not there now.

They will demand that every player in a Cardinals uniform go out and compete to win every game.

But I certainly don't think that means they are committing to go out and spend a lot of money this offseason to get the "stars" that would be necessary to really compete in 2026.

Only one team can win a WS matt, there's nothing wrong w/competing for one either.

Again, we're in complete agreement on the L-T vision which is to re-build the farm system so it funnels quality players to the Cardinals.

BUT

That can be accomplished and the big club can also still compete.

There's is nothing extra to be gained, other than a better draft slot, by tanking and losing 90-100 games you've mentioned doing more than once.

Bloom can walk & chew gum at the same time, this isn't Mo's inept front office anymore.

(And I've NEVER said they should go out this season and spend BIG money. I fully understand they're in re-build mode. And I've been pretty clear (IMO) the only money BDWJr will allow Bloom to spend will possibly come from any net payroll he can shed via trading S. Gray, NADO, Donny, WillyC, ect......)

[mattmitchl44]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

This is what he said:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said.

Of course, same as I've been saying for months.

And he also said:

“Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

“[Bloom's] been clear about that, and he stated it well when he said we're not conceding anything in the immediate,” Marmol said. “I love the mentality because you can't lower the standard".

Sure - but we know they don't think they yet have the young core necessary to compete for a WS in 2026. That's what they are keeping their eye on when it comes to where the organization needs to be in the long term - that is what they "need to get back to." But if you acknowledge you need to get back there, you are not there now.

They will demand that every player in a Cardinals uniform go out and compete to win every game.

But I certainly don't think that means they are committing to go out and spend a lot of money this offseason to get the "stars" that would be necessary to really compete in 2026.

Only one team can win a WS matt, there's nothing wrong w/competing for one either.

Again, we're in complete agreement on the L-T vision which is to re-build the farm system so it funnels quality players to the Cardinals.

BUT

That can be accomplished and the big club can also still compete.

There's is nothing extra to be gained, other than a better draft slot, by tanking and losing 90-100 games you've mentioned doing more than once.

Bloom can walk & chew gum at the same time, this isn't Mo's inept front office anymore.

(And I've NEVER said they should go out this season and spend BIG money. I fully understand they're in re-build mode. And I've been pretty clear (IMO) the only money BDWJr will allow Bloom to spend will possibly come from any net payroll he can shed via trading S. Gray, NADO, Donny, WillyC, ect......)

To be clear, there is a big gap between actually competing and losing 90 or 100 games. That gap is "just being mediocre."

The Cardinals will be at best in that just being mediocre level.

But at least they will just be mediocre with a plan as to how to get better long term.

[rockondlouie]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

This is what he said:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said.

Of course, same as I've been saying for months.

And he also said:

“Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

“[Bloom's] been clear about that, and he stated it well when he said we're not conceding anything in the immediate,” Marmol said. “I love the mentality because you can't lower the standard".

Sure - but we know they don't think they yet have the young core necessary to compete for a WS in 2026. That's what they are keeping their eye on when it comes to where the organization needs to be in the long term - that is what they "need to get back to." But if you acknowledge you need to get back there, you are not there now.

They will demand that every player in a Cardinals uniform go out and compete to win every game.

But I certainly don't think that means they are committing to go out and spend a lot of money this offseason to get the "stars" that would be necessary to really compete in 2026.

Only one team can win a WS matt, there's nothing wrong w/competing for one either.

Again, we're in complete agreement on the L-T vision which is to re-build the farm system so it funnels quality players to the Cardinals.

BUT

That can be accomplished and the big club can also still compete.

There's is nothing extra to be gained, other than a better draft slot, by tanking and losing 90-100 games you've mentioned doing more than once.

Bloom can walk & chew gum at the same time, this isn't Mo's inept front office anymore.

(And I've NEVER said they should go out this season and spend BIG money. I fully understand they're in re-build mode. And I've been pretty clear (IMO) the only money BDWJr will allow Bloom to spend will possibly come from any net payroll he can shed via trading S. Gray, NADO, Donny, WillyC, ect......)

To be clear, there is a big gap between actually competing and losing 90 or 100 games. That gap is "just being mediocre."

The Cardinals will be at best in that just being mediocre level.

But at least they will just be mediocre with a plan as to how to get better long term.

I wanted Mo fired many years ago, no argument here as he stood for "mediocre" as long as he could keep 3+M coming.

Give Bloom some credit, he's not Mo.

[mattmitchl44]

About new Cardinals starter R. Fitts:

“When I (Fitts) talked to [president of baseball operations Chaim Bloom] it was about wanting success for many years, and I want to be a part of that. It was awesome to hear where [the Cardinals] are at -- this isn’t the start of any kind of rebuild or anything; it was, ‘we feel we’re close to being ready to complete and we want you to be a part of that.’”

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/rich ... -cardinals

100% saw that. Hoping that means we will be looking to add talent that is big league ready or already has some big league experience and not trying to get a bunch of guys eho are in A ball.

MattMitch will not want to hear this.

And on cue C4L matt did indeed not like it and he saw it as a fit for his lose 90-100 games for years agenda.

Bloom said. “Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/chaim-bloom-in ... operations

Bloom's quote said he recognizes that what is better for the short term might conflict with what is better for the long term, and when it does they are going to prioritize the long term.

Bloom's quote is his words and their right there in black & White, no need for you to "interpret" matt.

This is what he said:

“Sometimes the long term might conflict with the short term … and when those things run in opposite directions, we’re going to choose the long term because that’s where this organization needs to be,” Bloom said.

Of course, same as I've been saying for months.

And he also said:

“Our goal is to field a team every year that can compete for this division and for a World Series championship.”

“[Bloom's] been clear about that, and he stated it well when he said we're not conceding anything in the immediate,” Marmol said. “I love the mentality because you can't lower the standard".

Sure - but we know they don't think they yet have the young core necessary to compete for a WS in 2026. That's what they are keeping their eye on when it comes to where the organization needs to be in the long term - that is what they "need to get back to." But if you acknowledge you need to get back there, you are not there now.

They will demand that every player in a Cardinals uniform go out and compete to win every game.

But I certainly don't think that means they are committing to go out and spend a lot of money this offseason to get the "stars" that would be necessary to really compete in 2026.

Only one team can win a WS matt, there's nothing wrong w/competing for one either.

Again, we're in complete agreement on the L-T vision which is to re-build the farm system so it funnels quality players to the Cardinals.

BUT

That can be accomplished and the big club can also still compete.

There's is nothing extra to be gained, other than a better draft slot, by tanking and losing 90-100 games you've mentioned doing more than once.

Bloom can walk & chew gum at the same time, this isn't Mo's inept front office anymore.

(And I've NEVER said they should go out this season and spend BIG money. I fully understand they're in re-build mode. And I've been pretty clear (IMO) the only money BDWJr will allow Bloom to spend will possibly come from any net payroll he can shed via trading S. Gray, NADO, Donny, WillyC, ect......)

To be clear, there is a big gap between actually competing and losing 90 or 100 games. That gap is "just being mediocre."

The Cardinals will be at best in that just being mediocre level.

But at least they will just be mediocre with a plan as to how to get better long term.

I wanted Mo fired many years ago, no argument here as he stood for "mediocre" as long as he could keep 3+M coming.

Give Bloom some credit, he's not Mo.

It's no slight on Bloom. It's just the reality that this roster can't be made better than just mediocre with anything short of a $200+ million budget, which is not going to happen.