Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:21 pm
Absolut wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:18 pm False. Halfassing down the middle is why we are here
I agree. Wouldn't it be wonderful to get two young, proven MLB players in trades for each of the four I mentioned? What trades like that do you propose? Maybe a Donovan trade could bring that.
We now have a second trade to see what is happening in the market place. Seattle traded a prospect with a higher BTV to the Nationals for ML talent. "Winning these trades is getting higher long term potential for current value." That is what the Donovan trade will look like.

Bloom is going to have some money to spend. I assume he will sign at least 1 veteran starter and 1-2 veteran relievers/swingmen. This team has lots of upside potential in its starting 8 with Wetherholdt, Herrera, Burleson, Walker, Gorman, Winn, etc. I could see the line-up producing 725-740 runs which is good enough to make the playoffs if the pitching staff is really good. Since as you can read above in the thread the Cards will have a myriad of starters in Memphis this year that may ultimately be good, they could surprise us. Being optimistic, I am hoping we come out of 2026 with an offense that appears ready to contend in 2027 and a pitching staff that has fewer holes in it than it does now. There is nothing wrong with that. If McGreevy, Liberatore, Fitts and Leahy turn into the best starting staff in baseball, then the Dewitts are geniuses and we can all apologize.
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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:21 pm
Absolut wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:18 pm False. Halfassing down the middle is why we are here
I agree. Wouldn't it be wonderful to get two young, proven MLB players in trades for each of the four I mentioned? What trades like that do you propose? Maybe a Donovan trade could bring that.
That would be 8 players ready. Not happening. It would be like two players 6 prospects, low level. If that.
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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 07 Dec 2025 05:09 am
Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:21 pm
Absolut wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:18 pm False. Halfassing down the middle is why we are here
I agree. Wouldn't it be wonderful to get two young, proven MLB players in trades for each of the four I mentioned? What trades like that do you propose? Maybe a Donovan trade could bring that.
That would be 8 players ready. Not happening. It would be like two players 6 prospects, low level. If that.
I agree. That is why more Gray type trades might work. One MLB ready player and a highly rated prospect coming to the Cardinals in various trades.
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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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Shady wrote: 07 Dec 2025 09:58 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 07 Dec 2025 05:09 am
Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:21 pm
Absolut wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:18 pm False. Halfassing down the middle is why we are here
I agree. Wouldn't it be wonderful to get two young, proven MLB players in trades for each of the four I mentioned? What trades like that do you propose? Maybe a Donovan trade could bring that.
That would be 8 players ready. Not happening. It would be like two players 6 prospects, low level. If that.
I agree. That is why more Gray type trades might work. One MLB ready player and a highly rated prospect coming to the Cardinals in various trades.
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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:17 pm With more trades like the Gray trade. If he can trade Donovan, Contreras, Nootbaar and Romero for a combo of a young MLB ready player (Fitts) and a high level prospect (Clarke) in those trades. I don't expect much return in an Arenado trade.
A true contender will play solid in the field, have above-average pitching staff, and a power hitter or 2. The rebuilding Cardinals will more likely come near to striking out in all categories, initially How many seasons are you willing to wait?
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The Nard wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:30 am
Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:17 pm With more trades like the Gray trade. If he can trade Donovan, Contreras, Nootbaar and Romero for a combo of a young MLB ready player (Fitts) and a high level prospect (Clarke) in those trades. I don't expect much return in an Arenado trade.
A true contender will play solid in the field, have above-average pitching staff, and a power hitter or 2. The rebuilding Cardinals will more likely come near to striking out in all categories, initially How many seasons are you willing to wait?
With a couple strategic acquisitions, in '26, the Cardinals might be about where they were last season. Obviously, they need more quality starting pitching. And another RBI bat would really help. Those two things and Wetherholt needs to kind of pick up the slack of losing Donovan. If he is dealt. Then, better things should be ahead starting in '27. Depending on how some the current prospects come around.
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Shady wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:40 am
The Nard wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:30 am
Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:17 pm With more trades like the Gray trade. If he can trade Donovan, Contreras, Nootbaar and Romero for a combo of a young MLB ready player (Fitts) and a high level prospect (Clarke) in those trades. I don't expect much return in an Arenado trade.
A true contender will play solid in the field, have above-average pitching staff, and a power hitter or 2. The rebuilding Cardinals will more likely come near to striking out in all categories, initially How many seasons are you willing to wait?
With a couple strategic acquisitions, in '26, the Cardinals might be about where they were last season. Obviously, they need more quality starting pitching. And another RBI bat would really help. Those two things and Wetherholt needs to kind of pick up the slack of losing Donovan. If he is dealt. Then, better things should be ahead starting in '27. Depending on how some the current prospects come around.
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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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hullie wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:46 am
Shady wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:40 am
The Nard wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:30 am
Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:17 pm With more trades like the Gray trade. If he can trade Donovan, Contreras, Nootbaar and Romero for a combo of a young MLB ready player (Fitts) and a high level prospect (Clarke) in those trades. I don't expect much return in an Arenado trade.
A true contender will play solid in the field, have above-average pitching staff, and a power hitter or 2. The rebuilding Cardinals will more likely come near to striking out in all categories, initially How many seasons are you willing to wait?
With a couple strategic acquisitions, in '26, the Cardinals might be about where they were last season. Obviously, they need more quality starting pitching. And another RBI bat would really help. Those two things and Wetherholt needs to kind of pick up the slack of losing Donovan. If he is dealt. Then, better things should be ahead starting in '27. Depending on how some the current prospects come around.
Could have used about 5 edits
Possibly, it is potentially correct, that you might be right, with a couple of “diction fanagling” a crafty poster might improve the post.
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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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Absolut wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:55 am
hullie wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:46 am
Shady wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:40 am
The Nard wrote: 07 Dec 2025 10:30 am
Shady wrote: 06 Dec 2025 18:17 pm With more trades like the Gray trade. If he can trade Donovan, Contreras, Nootbaar and Romero for a combo of a young MLB ready player (Fitts) and a high level prospect (Clarke) in those trades. I don't expect much return in an Arenado trade.
A true contender will play solid in the field, have above-average pitching staff, and a power hitter or 2. The rebuilding Cardinals will more likely come near to striking out in all categories, initially How many seasons are you willing to wait?
With a couple strategic acquisitions, in '26, the Cardinals might be about where they were last season. Obviously, they need more quality starting pitching. And another RBI bat would really help. Those two things and Wetherholt needs to kind of pick up the slack of losing Donovan. If he is dealt. Then, better things should be ahead starting in '27. Depending on how some the current prospects come around.
Could have used about 5 edits
Possibly, it is potentially correct, that you might be right, with a couple of “diction fanagling” a crafty poster might improve the post.
Thanks for being so concerned about my posting style. LOL Please elaborate on "Possibly, it is potentially correct, that you might be right". The content, not nitpicking the phrasing, please.
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Re: Bloom can trade for the rebuild and still contend next season

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My dream trade is acquiring Emmit Sheehan from the Dodgers. Dodgers have been connected to Donovan but it'd take more. They might value Nootbaar higher than most with his relationship with his WBC buddies. Would Donovan, Nootbaar and Romero be enough? Add a pitching prospect like Roby or Hence maybe?
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