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Re: Just saw Walker floated as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 08:17 am
by sikeston bulldog2
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 08:14 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:53 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:19 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 22:54 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 16:03 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:49 am
I wouldn't want any pitching from KC other than Ragans.
I’d love to get Wacha, but not for Donovan.
I love Noah Cameron and Kris Bubic. 2 really really solid lefties.
They also picked up 2 pitchers from San Diego at the Deadline last who I love as well: Ryan Bergert and Stephen Kolek.
In 2025:
Cameron - 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP
Liberatore - 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP
And Cameron is actually 3 months older than Liberatore.
Are you trading Donovan for Matt Liberatore?
Bubic only has one year of team control left.
For fun. What would Donovan and Walker fetch. Anything?
It depends in part on whether the other team really wants Donovan and Walker, but from a neutral, objective starting point BTV suggests:
Mets
Nolan McLean = +40.9
Cardinals
Donovan = +32.1
Walker = +5.4
MLB.com has McLean at #11 overall with a FV 60 grade. FG has McLean at #12 overall with a FV 55 grade.
Maybe the Cardinals even have to "overpay" a bit by adding Pages (+11.9) or Crooks (+11). Or maybe they get another throw in from the Mets in return Ryan Clifford, AAA OF prospect, +8.3), or Eli Serrano, an OF prospect further away.
McLean would be very much another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect that I'd be trying to get if I were the Cardinals - quality over quantity here.
Thanx. Would a deal like this interest you.
Re: Just saw Walker floated as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 08:23 am
by mattmitchl44
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 08:17 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 08:14 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:53 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:19 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 22:54 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 16:03 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:49 am
I wouldn't want any pitching from KC other than Ragans.
I’d love to get Wacha, but not for Donovan.
I love Noah Cameron and Kris Bubic. 2 really really solid lefties.
They also picked up 2 pitchers from San Diego at the Deadline last who I love as well: Ryan Bergert and Stephen Kolek.
In 2025:
Cameron - 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP
Liberatore - 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP
And Cameron is actually 3 months older than Liberatore.
Are you trading Donovan for Matt Liberatore?
Bubic only has one year of team control left.
For fun. What would Donovan and Walker fetch. Anything?
It depends in part on whether the other team really wants Donovan and Walker, but from a neutral, objective starting point BTV suggests:
Mets
Nolan McLean = +40.9
Cardinals
Donovan = +32.1
Walker = +5.4
MLB.com has McLean at #11 overall with a FV 60 grade. FG has McLean at #12 overall with a FV 55 grade.
Maybe the Cardinals even have to "overpay" a bit by adding Pages (+11.9) or Crooks (+11). Or maybe they get another throw in from the Mets in return Ryan Clifford, AAA OF prospect, +8.3), or Eli Serrano, an OF prospect further away.
McLean would be very much another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect that I'd be trying to get if I were the Cardinals - quality over quantity here.
Thanx. Would a deal like this interest you.
I would personally drive Donovan, Walker, and whoever to NY for Nolan McLean.
Re: Just saw Walker floated as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 08:26 am
by sikeston bulldog2
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 08:23 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 08:17 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 08:14 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:53 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:19 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 22:54 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 16:03 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:49 am
I wouldn't want any pitching from KC other than Ragans.
I’d love to get Wacha, but not for Donovan.
I love Noah Cameron and Kris Bubic. 2 really really solid lefties.
They also picked up 2 pitchers from San Diego at the Deadline last who I love as well: Ryan Bergert and Stephen Kolek.
In 2025:
Cameron - 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP
Liberatore - 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP
And Cameron is actually 3 months older than Liberatore.
Are you trading Donovan for Matt Liberatore?
Bubic only has one year of team control left.
For fun. What would Donovan and Walker fetch. Anything?
It depends in part on whether the other team really wants Donovan and Walker, but from a neutral, objective starting point BTV suggests:
Mets
Nolan McLean = +40.9
Cardinals
Donovan = +32.1
Walker = +5.4
MLB.com has McLean at #11 overall with a FV 60 grade. FG has McLean at #12 overall with a FV 55 grade.
Maybe the Cardinals even have to "overpay" a bit by adding Pages (+11.9) or Crooks (+11). Or maybe they get another throw in from the Mets in return Ryan Clifford, AAA OF prospect, +8.3), or Eli Serrano, an OF prospect further away.
McLean would be very much another "Liam Doyle-level" prospect that I'd be trying to get if I were the Cardinals - quality over quantity here.
Thanx. Would a deal like this interest you.
I would personally drive Donovan, Walker, and whoever to NY for Nolan McLean.
Ok. Thanx. So the amount of upgrade by adding Walker is enough to return a stud. Interesting.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
by Shady
This has turned out to be a very interesting hot stove thread. A nice primer for the Winter Meetings. If Walker is requested in any trade involving a possible top of the rotation starting pitcher. Bloom has to comply.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
by HorseTrader
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 09:46 am
by Bomber1
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
So who are the two pitchers you “saw” in return for Walker?
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 09:49 am
by icon
It's kind of funny that in all these threads started by Shady, he can't stand the shade.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 09:50 am
by Shady
HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
I have taken some criticism for posting MSN articles. But here is your request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/in ... 4abaf&ei=5
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 09:57 am
by Radio63
I believe this idea originated in a Jim Bowden piece in the Athletic, a “winter meeting wishlist” which included some trades Bowden would like to see happen. Here’s the original comment:
“ The Cardinals trade second baseman Brendan Donovan and outfielder Jordan Walker to the Royals for left-handed pitcher Kris Bubic and right-hander Ben Kudrna
A cross-Missouri trade gives Donovan and Walker a chance to compete for an AL Central title, while the rebuilding Cardinals add two pitchers with team control remaining. Donovan will pair with Bobby Witt Jr. to give the Royals an elite middle infield and Kansas City will get a shot at unlocking Walker’s immense potential.”
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 10:00 am
by Mort Gage
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:50 am
HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
I have taken some criticism for posting MSN articles. But here is your request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/in ... 4abaf&ei=5
It's an entirely hypothetical trade proposed by Jim Bowden that means absolutely nothing. No Walker trade rumor here.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 13:11 pm
by imetsatchelpaige
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:50 am
HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
I have taken some criticism for posting MSN articles. But here is your request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/in ... 4abaf&ei=5
Total nonsense. Nothing to see there.
As per usual.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 13:14 pm
by Shady
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:11 pm
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:50 am
HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
I have taken some criticism for posting MSN articles. But here is your request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/in ... 4abaf&ei=5
Total nonsense. Nothing to see there.
As per usual.
Chill ! A poster asked me to post the link.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 13:46 pm
by NYCardsFan
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:14 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:11 pm
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:50 am
HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
I have taken some criticism for posting MSN articles. But here is your request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/in ... 4abaf&ei=5
Total nonsense. Nothing to see there.
As per usual.
Chill ! A poster asked me to post the link.
Your entire thread is predicated on and ostensibly about what you claim you “just saw”—referring to the article in question. So whether you did or didn’t post a link to that article is irrelevant to the observation that it’s just your usual pretextual clickbait cr@p.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
by Shady
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:46 pm
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:14 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:11 pm
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:50 am
HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
I have taken some criticism for posting MSN articles. But here is your request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/in ... 4abaf&ei=5
Total nonsense. Nothing to see there.
As per usual.
Chill ! A poster asked me to post the link.
Your entire thread is predicated on and ostensibly about what you claim you “just saw”—referring to the article in question. So whether you did or didn’t post a link to that article is irrelevant to the observation that it’s just your usual pretextual clickbait cr@p.
Mr Banal shows up with his usual tiresome ridicule act. His post was worthless. Just discuss baseball and drop the personal vindictiveness.
Re: Just saw Walker mentioned as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 07 Dec 2025 16:07 pm
by zuck698
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 14:22 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:46 pm
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:14 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 13:11 pm
Shady wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:50 am
HorseTrader wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 09:42 am
Shady wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:44 am
To the Royals for two pitchers. Not enough return, IMO.This is the first time I've seen Walker mentioned in trade speculation this off season. Other than a ridiculous trade proposal I asked about a while back. Wonder if Walker does have some teams interested in acquiring him. Would it make any sense for the Cardinals to trade Walker, at this time, in their rebuild? Maybe for another fairly young player/players with some team control for a while.
Where did you see that? I'd like to see a link to the rumor, please
I have taken some criticism for posting MSN articles. But here is your request.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/in ... 4abaf&ei=5
Total nonsense. Nothing to see there.
As per usual.
Chill ! A poster asked me to post the link.
Your entire thread is predicated on and ostensibly about what you claim you “just saw”—referring to the article in question. So whether you did or didn’t post a link to that article is irrelevant to the observation that it’s just your usual pretextual clickbait cr@p.
Mr Banal shows up with his usual tiresome ridicule act. His post was
worthless. Just discuss baseball and drop the personal vindictiveness.
Well if anyone knows anything about "worthless" posts, it would have to be you Santa Shady. You are the King!
Re: Just saw Walker floated as part of a Donovan trade
Posted: 08 Dec 2025 21:13 pm
by butsir01
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:53 am
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2025 07:19 am
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 22:54 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 16:03 pm
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2025 09:49 am
I wouldn't want any pitching from KC other than Ragans.
I’d love to get Wacha, but not for Donovan.
I love Noah Cameron and Kris Bubic. 2 really really solid lefties.
They also picked up 2 pitchers from San Diego at the Deadline last who I love as well: Ryan Bergert and Stephen Kolek.
In 2025:
Cameron - 7.42 K/9, 2.80 BB/9, 1.17 HR/9, 4.18 FIP
Liberatore - 7.24 K/9, 2.37 BB/9, 1.13 HR/9, 4.03 FIP
And Cameron is actually 3 months older than Liberatore.
Are you trading Donovan for Matt Liberatore?
Bubic only has one year of team control left.
For fun. What would Donovan and Walker fetch. Anything?
How’s the weather fown your way, Dog?
I’m in mourning: Buckeyes los 13-10 to Indiana and deserved to lose. Hope the boys get it together. How’s Joey Freshwater perceived down there?