Why FANS come to the park

[Ozziesfan41]

Why do you think the stands are almost empty?

Maybe because the team hasn't made it past the 1st round of the playoffs but once in the last decade and is remarkably lacking in talent right now at the MLB level?

Thats definitely part of it. But why? Every year before the trade deadline, the Cards dump their best and most expensive and popular players. I want to remind everyone the young minded fans don't hold your sentiment. They feel betrayed when their fav players leave the team year after year. Most on this forum think like management and almost never like fans. That's not necessarily bad but the super low attendance is the result of a betrayal which transcends a W/L record for some.

No they don't. They certainly didn't in 2023 when they should have proactively traded Arenado and Goldschmidt and been farther along in rebuilding than they are.

The Cardinals have, in fact, made a habit of extending multiple veteran players - Carpenter, Molina, Mikolas, etc. - when they shouldn't have. They hold on to players too long, if anything.

All of has contributed to how they are in the mess they are in where a rebuild is necessary.

+1 and bringing back waino for his last year and sticking with him all season so he could suck. The cards keep their legacy players and play them even when they shouldn’t

[NorthernBird]

I'm more interested in the success of the name on the front of the jersey than the names on the back.

As are most fans IMO.

I think most fans root for their teams and the players on them. Most fans fall in love with the romanticism surrounding their team and sport. It’s the “fan” that dresses up series of 0s and 1s in costumes of “their” teams’ jerseys that make the sport boring to watch.

[dugoutrex]

I love a good give away!

How is it at Goodwill?

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[Carp4Cy]

But I wanna watch the kids play daggumit!

You can do that cheaper in Memphis. And against more equal competition.

[Carp4Cy]

Why do you think the stands are almost empty?

Maybe because the team hasn't made it past the 1st round of the playoffs but once in the last decade and is remarkably lacking in talent right now at the MLB level?

Thats definitely part of it. But why? Every year before the trade deadline, the Cards dump their best and most expensive and popular players. I want to remind everyone the young minded fans don't hold your sentiment. They feel betrayed when their fav players leave the team year after year. Most on this forum think like management and almost never like fans. That's not necessarily bad but the super low attendance is the result of a betrayal which transcends a W/L record for some.

No they don't. They certainly didn't in 2023 when they should have proactively traded Arenado and Goldschmidt and been farther along in rebuilding than they are.

The Cardinals have, in fact, made a habit of extending multiple veteran players - Carpenter, Molina, Mikolas, etc. - when they shouldn't have. They hold on to players too long, if anything.

All of has contributed to how they are in the mess they are in where a rebuild is necessary.

+1 and bringing back waino for his last year and sticking with him all season so he could suck. The cards keep their legacy players and play them even when they shouldn’t

I’m a fan. I really enjoyed seeing WainWright win 200 and play his entire career for the Cardinals. Some of y’all think that paying fans like me are just wrong, but this does answer the OPs question of what fans want to see.

[Cardly]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

[Carp4Cy]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

[dugoutrex]

Why do you think the stands are almost empty?

Maybe because the team hasn't made it past the 1st round of the playoffs but once in the last decade and is remarkably lacking in talent right now at the MLB level?

Thats definitely part of it. But why? Every year before the trade deadline, the Cards dump their best and most expensive and popular players. I want to remind everyone the young minded fans don't hold your sentiment. They feel betrayed when their fav players leave the team year after year. Most on this forum think like management and almost never like fans. That's not necessarily bad but the super low attendance is the result of a betrayal which transcends a W/L record for some.

No they don't. They certainly didn't in 2023 when they should have proactively traded Arenado and Goldschmidt and been farther along in rebuilding than they are.

The Cardinals have, in fact, made a habit of extending multiple veteran players - Carpenter, Molina, Mikolas, etc. - when they shouldn't have. They hold on to players too long, if anything.

All of has contributed to how they are in the mess they are in where a rebuild is necessary.

+1 and bringing back waino for his last year and sticking with him all season so he could suck. The cards keep their legacy players and play them even when they shouldn’t

I’m a fan. I really enjoyed seeing WainWright win 200 and play his entire career for the Cardinals. Some of y’all think that paying fans like me are just wrong, but this does answer the OPs question of what fans want to see.

yup, same here but ... I'm not going to see a tanking team!

[Pura Vida]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

Certain players represent continuity season after season. I know this can't happen with everyone but there is fan satisfaction in watching a Wainwright and Molina retire Cardinals. And certain players reflect the Cardinal motto of playing the game "The Cardinal Way". Trading them does not create loyalty.

[desertrat23]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

Certain players represent continuity season after season. I know this can't happen with everyone but there is fan satisfaction in watching a Wainwright and Molina retire Cardinals. And certain players reflect the Cardinal motto of playing the game "The Cardinal Way". Trading them does not create loyalty.

“The Cardinal Way” is an outdated, out of touch way of thinking. Winning is what matters. If players don’t win, ship them out and get guys who will.

[ecleme22]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

Certain players represent continuity season after season. I know this can't happen with everyone but there is fan satisfaction in watching a Wainwright and Molina retire Cardinals. And certain players reflect the Cardinal motto of playing the game "The Cardinal Way". Trading them does not create loyalty.

The logistical gymnastics CTers will go through just to say: “Don’t trade Donovan!”

[mattmitchl44]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

Certain players represent continuity season after season. I know this can't happen with everyone but there is fan satisfaction in watching a Wainwright and Molina retire Cardinals. And certain players reflect the Cardinal motto of playing the game "The Cardinal Way". Trading them does not create loyalty.

Why most fans would be terrible at actually running a team.

[ecleme22]

I totally enjoyed a strong manager in the dugout.
It was super fun watching McGwire, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Walker, Yadi, Beltran, Berkman, Carpenter, Waino and the like.

There is not one star there now as Arenado is fading. The over dependence on launch angle, having an inexpensive and inexperienced puppet in the dugouts across the league is not fun.

This model is not a multi generational game.

Agree.

Also, I just can’t get into the Tampa Bay model of occasionally getting to the playoffs with relatively cheap patchwork talent that they will just trade off at the first opportunity. I like watching a team where I know who the players are.

I loved watching five potential Hall of Famers, including the return of Pujols 2022. There was joy on that team. And an MVP who we traded lower level prospects to get.

Only thing I hated about that season was Oli screwing it up in the playoffs game 1.

Certain players represent continuity season after season. I know this can't happen with everyone but there is fan satisfaction in watching a Wainwright and Molina retire Cardinals. And certain players reflect the Cardinal motto of playing the game "The Cardinal Way". Trading them does not create loyalty.

Why most fans would be terrible at actually running a team.

Sentimental value has its place. I will give him that.

But in the way he’s referring to it is ridiculous. Trading Donovan isn’t some breakdown of the culture.

Most fans understand what a rebuild means.

The cards could sweep the roster and put out 26 new faces. If those new faces give you 100-62 record, we will draw 3mil fans. And many of those new faces will be fan favorites, and most of the fan base could name every one by July.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Beer.

[C-Unit]

It did occur to me today that the average person walking around downtown St Louis is going to have no idea who Rainiel Rodriguez or Joshua Baez is. It would probably be funny to interview people on the street and see which names of Cardinal prospects they are familiar with, if any.

Well anyways, success on the field always brings the fans out. They came out in 2022. They came out in May this year when they were showing a bit of promise. A winning stretch of baseball always seems to bring a crowd.

Hopefully the path they are taking now leads to more success down the road, in terms of playoff success, than we had over the past 10 years. And hopefully there will be more to see than a good month of May.

[fullswing]

I think fans go to the park to watch a good game that’s played well and their favorite team wins.