Is there a downside of Bloom going public with his desire to trade certain players?

[ScotchMIrish]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

When rumors were floating about Hernandez and the tensions with upper management the writing
on the wall was there. Look at the accomplishments of Hernandez were in his 20's for a couple minimal
level pitchers. Keith was a large part of both StL and NYM. Templeton went crazy flipped off
the crowd changed his career in a moment.

Bloom never has said he was giving guys away. There is still a price and demand for each player is what sets
that price. Cards don't have to make any more trades and would survive fine. They Gray trade shows this.
It was done very early. Sure the Cards threw money in but the player was still wanted to pitch
not because he had a coupon. IF the contract was $25/per instead of drastically deferred or backloaded
money wouldn't have been a issue.

Hernandez had a substance problem and he wasn't the only player traded for that reason. Templeton was traded because Whitey wisely wanted excellent defense at 2B and being a long time baseball man he recognized brilliance when he saw it.

I don't remember his publicly saying he wanted to trade Hernandez or Templeton. He quietly went about his business. His goal was to get headlines with the team on the field not by leaking all of his plans to the media.

[ecleme22]

Upside….

The primary upside for an MLB team publicly shopping a player is the potential to generate a bidding war, maximize trade value, and acquire the best possible package of prospects and/or players. It can also serve to increase the team's leverage in trade negotiations by signaling that the player is available and creating a sense of urgency among competing teams.
Upsides for the team:
Maximize value: Publicly shopping a player creates a bidding war, which can drive up the price and lead to a more lucrative trade package for the team, as seen with the return the Mariners received for Dallas Keuchel.
Increased leverage: By making a player available, the team can put other teams in a position where they may have to make a more aggressive offer to acquire the player.
Acquire assets: The team can use the public interest to trade for a player that fits the team's needs, potentially a group of prospects who can contribute to the team's future success.
Signal a rebuild: It can be a clear message to fans and the baseball world that the team is entering a rebuilding phase, which may help set expectations for the season.
Generate buzz: The process can generate media attention and excitement around the team, even if it's for a short time.
Downsides for the player:
Uncertainty: Publicly shopping a player can create uncertainty for them, potentially impacting their family life and future.
Mental strain: The player may experience stress and anxiety due to the constant media speculation, and the pressure of being traded.
Negative impact on performance: The uncertainty of the situation could have a negative impact on the player's on-field performance.

[Bomber1]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Will you ever give it a rest I wonder?

You’re as bad as Shady & Burleson.

[ScotchMIrish]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Will you ever give it a rest I wonder?

You’re as bad as Shady & Burleson.

Nobody requires you to read my posts or discuss baseball.

[HorseTrader]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

You knew in August they were going to trade Burleson too? You have a vivid imagination.

Do you understand the "could include", I think you need to get your head out of the sand.

[renostl]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

When rumors were floating about Hernandez and the tensions with upper management the writing
on the wall was there. Look at the accomplishments of Hernandez were in his 20's for a couple minimal
level pitchers. Keith was a large part of both StL and NYM. Templeton went crazy flipped off
the crowd changed his career in a moment.

Bloom never has said he was giving guys away. There is still a price and demand for each player is what sets
that price. Cards don't have to make any more trades and would survive fine. They Gray trade shows this.
It was done very early. Sure the Cards threw money in but the player was still wanted to pitch
not because he had a coupon. IF the contract was $25/per instead of drastically deferred or backloaded
money wouldn't have been a issue.

Hernandez had a substance problem and he wasn't the only player traded for that reason. Templeton was traded because Whitey wisely wanted excellent defense at 2B and being a long time baseball man he recognized brilliance when he saw it.

I don't remember his publicly saying he wanted to trade Hernandez or Templeton. He quietly went about his business. His goal was to get headlines with the team on the field not by leaking all of his plans to the media.

Demand for the player sets the market. Same as it ever is.

SS not 2B.

Whitey didn't like Keith period. One of Whiteys errors. He had no problem bringing
Porter in who loved the powder even in KC. Whitey was a breath of fresh air after those dismal
1970"s, He was good for StL. PERIOD. He was embraced by being outspoken, folksy, and
the perception of "telling it like it is".

They got pennies on the dollar for KH. Whitey didn't walk on water.
3 pennants in 18 seasons. A 53% winning percentage with his hand-picked roster.
Played a part in not getting the players refocused after Denkingers call, often overlooked
but review the missed plays after the call and the game 7 performance.

Whitey ball is among my favorite times as a baseball fan also period.
Don't take it as anything more than a couple examples of where some criticism
might be just.

from Whiteys book "White Rat"

“Keith Hernandez was dogging it … He’s the best defensive first baseman I’ve ever seen. But on offense, he was loafing. He loafed down the line on ground balls and he wasn’t aggressive on the bases.

“What I couldn’t live with was his attitude. I’ve got two basic rules _ be on time and hustle _ and he was having trouble with both of them … His practice habits were atrocious. He’d come out for batting practice, then head back to the clubhouse to smoke cigarettes and do crossword puzzles … It was getting to the point where I was fed up with him.”

Herzog began clashing with Hernandez soon after taking over as Cardinals manager in June 1980. In a game at Atlanta during Herzog’s first series as manager, Hernandez didn’t run hard on a fly ball that was dropped. “Hernandez has the ability to be among the best players in the major leagues,” Herzog told The Sporting News, “but one little thing like that can make him a bad guy for a long time. When you’re out there, run hard.”

According to the Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals first offered Hernandez to the Mets after the 1980 season in exchange for Allen, second baseman Doug Flynn and pitcher Tim Leary, but the Mets declined.


That flies against other teams not knowing about the desire to trade a player.

[Wattage]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

[ScotchMIrish]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

I think most of us knew in August or September that Arenado, Gray and Willie would be on the trading. I'd also say that most of us knew that the trades could include Donovan, Noot, Burly, Gorman and maybe a catcher. I'm sorry if you didn't, I think most of those names were all talked about on most of the second half of the season.

You knew in August they were going to trade Burleson too? You have a vivid imagination.

Do you understand the "could include", I think you need to get your head out of the sand.

Why in the world would they trade Burleson? He is one of the best hitters on the team and is under team control for 3 more years and he just turned 27 this month. They should be working on an extension for Burleson. Keep that bat in the lineup.

What do you think they will trade him for?

[ScotchMIrish]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

When rumors were floating about Hernandez and the tensions with upper management the writing
on the wall was there. Look at the accomplishments of Hernandez were in his 20's for a couple minimal
level pitchers. Keith was a large part of both StL and NYM. Templeton went crazy flipped off
the crowd changed his career in a moment.

Bloom never has said he was giving guys away. There is still a price and demand for each player is what sets
that price. Cards don't have to make any more trades and would survive fine. They Gray trade shows this.
It was done very early. Sure the Cards threw money in but the player was still wanted to pitch
not because he had a coupon. IF the contract was $25/per instead of drastically deferred or backloaded
money wouldn't have been a issue.

Hernandez had a substance problem and he wasn't the only player traded for that reason. Templeton was traded because Whitey wisely wanted excellent defense at 2B and being a long time baseball man he recognized brilliance when he saw it.

I don't remember his publicly saying he wanted to trade Hernandez or Templeton. He quietly went about his business. His goal was to get headlines with the team on the field not by leaking all of his plans to the media.

Demand for the player sets the market. Same as it ever is.

SS not 2B.

Whitey didn't like Keith period. One of Whiteys errors. He had no problem bringing
Porter in who loved the powder even in KC. Whitey was a breath of fresh air after those dismal
1970"s, He was good for StL. PERIOD. He was embraced by being outspoken, folksy, and
the perception of "telling it like it is".

They got pennies on the dollar for KH. Whitey didn't walk on water.
3 pennants in 18 seasons. A 53% winning percentage with his hand-picked roster.
Played a part in not getting the players refocused after Denkingers call, often overlooked
but review the missed plays after the call and the game 7 performance.

Whitey ball is among my favorite times as a baseball fan also period.
Don't take it as anything more than a couple examples of where some criticism
might be just.

from Whiteys book "White Rat"

“Keith Hernandez was dogging it … He’s the best defensive first baseman I’ve ever seen. But on offense, he was loafing. He loafed down the line on ground balls and he wasn’t aggressive on the bases.

“What I couldn’t live with was his attitude. I’ve got two basic rules _ be on time and hustle _ and he was having trouble with both of them … His practice habits were atrocious. He’d come out for batting practice, then head back to the clubhouse to smoke cigarettes and do crossword puzzles … It was getting to the point where I was fed up with him.”

Herzog began clashing with Hernandez soon after taking over as Cardinals manager in June 1980. In a game at Atlanta during Herzog’s first series as manager, Hernandez didn’t run hard on a fly ball that was dropped. “Hernandez has the ability to be among the best players in the major leagues,” Herzog told The Sporting News, “but one little thing like that can make him a bad guy for a long time. When you’re out there, run hard.”

According to the Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals first offered Hernandez to the Mets after the 1980 season in exchange for Allen, second baseman Doug Flynn and pitcher Tim Leary, but the Mets declined.


That flies against other teams not knowing about the desire to trade a player.

Regarding Porter perhaps he thought Porter had stopped or was unaware. He did trade Hernandez along with the others when he realized what was happening in 1983. I originally thought that trade was idiotic until I finally came to grips with the fact Whitey was trying to clean up the team.

[Melville]

No

ALL of MLB knows the Cardinals are in rebuild mode and the FOR SALE has been hung over Busch Stadium.

S. Gray (gone), Donny and WillyC are PRIME PLAYERS and real pro's who any contender would want so it won't lower their value or moral one bit.

Nor does it hurt/help NADO's trade value since it's minimal.

Correct.

[ScotchMIrish]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

[ecleme22]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

“I might be overthinking it. Now let me show you this overthought, convoluted example.”

[RamFan08NY]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

It's broadcast because, in addition to other areas, the Cardinals had become irrelevant on the trade market. There were teams that wouldn't even call the Cardinals. The Cardinals didn't call teams back, were wishy-washy about what they wanted, and indecisive. Just as the fans soured on all this, so did many other teams. Word gets around. Bloom is working publicly (and I assume privately) to open doors for the Cardinals to all teams.

That's a great point. Bloom has the battle of rebuilding all of the bridges that Mo went out of his way to blow up.

[renostl]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

That is not true. Gray and Arenado yes. Not the others.

When rumors were floating about Hernandez and the tensions with upper management the writing
on the wall was there. Look at the accomplishments of Hernandez were in his 20's for a couple minimal
level pitchers. Keith was a large part of both StL and NYM. Templeton went crazy flipped off
the crowd changed his career in a moment.

Bloom never has said he was giving guys away. There is still a price and demand for each player is what sets
that price. Cards don't have to make any more trades and would survive fine. They Gray trade shows this.
It was done very early. Sure the Cards threw money in but the player was still wanted to pitch
not because he had a coupon. IF the contract was $25/per instead of drastically deferred or backloaded
money wouldn't have been a issue.

Hernandez had a substance problem and he wasn't the only player traded for that reason. Templeton was traded because Whitey wisely wanted excellent defense at 2B and being a long time baseball man he recognized brilliance when he saw it.

I don't remember his publicly saying he wanted to trade Hernandez or Templeton. He quietly went about his business. His goal was to get headlines with the team on the field not by leaking all of his plans to the media.

Demand for the player sets the market. Same as it ever is.

SS not 2B.

Whitey didn't like Keith period. One of Whiteys errors. He had no problem bringing
Porter in who loved the powder even in KC. Whitey was a breath of fresh air after those dismal
1970"s, He was good for StL. PERIOD. He was embraced by being outspoken, folksy, and
the perception of "telling it like it is".

They got pennies on the dollar for KH. Whitey didn't walk on water.
3 pennants in 18 seasons. A 53% winning percentage with his hand-picked roster.
Played a part in not getting the players refocused after Denkingers call, often overlooked
but review the missed plays after the call and the game 7 performance.

Whitey ball is among my favorite times as a baseball fan also period.
Don't take it as anything more than a couple examples of where some criticism
might be just.

from Whiteys book "White Rat"

“Keith Hernandez was dogging it … He’s the best defensive first baseman I’ve ever seen. But on offense, he was loafing. He loafed down the line on ground balls and he wasn’t aggressive on the bases.

“What I couldn’t live with was his attitude. I’ve got two basic rules _ be on time and hustle _ and he was having trouble with both of them … His practice habits were atrocious. He’d come out for batting practice, then head back to the clubhouse to smoke cigarettes and do crossword puzzles … It was getting to the point where I was fed up with him.”

Herzog began clashing with Hernandez soon after taking over as Cardinals manager in June 1980. In a game at Atlanta during Herzog’s first series as manager, Hernandez didn’t run hard on a fly ball that was dropped. “Hernandez has the ability to be among the best players in the major leagues,” Herzog told The Sporting News, “but one little thing like that can make him a bad guy for a long time. When you’re out there, run hard.”

According to the Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals first offered Hernandez to the Mets after the 1980 season in exchange for Allen, second baseman Doug Flynn and pitcher Tim Leary, but the Mets declined.


That flies against other teams not knowing about the desire to trade a player.

Regarding Porter perhaps he thought Porter had stopped or was unaware. He did trade Hernandez along with the others when he realized what was happening in 1983. I originally thought that trade was idiotic until I finally came to grips with the fact Whitey was trying to clean up the team.

fair enough

[renostl]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

It would be an error imo to subtract value from Donovan.
The Cards aren't over budget and very soon could have an incredibly payroll.

[ScotchMIrish]

The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

i think you are reading too much into this. the players already know this, only thing different is gm being honest to media.

wouldnt arenado and contreras already know management wants to move them ecerytime they are asked if they wpuld waive their no trade clauses regardless if bloom says anything to media

Maybe but if I'm a team knowing Bloom has gone public that he wants to get rid of Donovan and Arenado I'm thinking about the Price/Betts trade and trying to fleece Bloom by taking on Arenado's contract if I also get Donovan in exchange for some mediocre prospects. That's the potential downside.

“I might be overthinking it. Now let me show you this overthought, convoluted example.”

The Dodgers didn't think it was convoluted. They got Betts for Alex Verdugo, Connor Wong and Jeter Downs. What's interesting is the return. Verdugo was supposedly the Dodgers top ranked prospect. Good player. Not a star. Connor Wong had 1 good season in MLB. Jeter Downs supposedly the Dodgers #3 prospect has a total of 8 MLB hits.

People want to dump and rebuild. No guarantee those top prospects will pan out.