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Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
by sikeston bulldog2
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 09:54 am
by 45s
if done well, a rebuild will allow for sustained success and competitiveness ....
more than a singular "lightning in a bottle" event suggested
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 10:28 am
by Cranny
As a long time Cardinal fan, have really been fortunate to enjoy multiple World Series appearances as well as
multiple World Championships. Plus, watching in person a number of guys like Stan, Red, Lou, Ozzie, Gibby, Simba, AP, Goldy, Nado, etc. who made (or will make) the HOF. Hope the generations going forward will have the same privilege.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 10:35 am
by zuck698
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
A little Guess Who for our morning pleasure Bulldog. Well played!
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 10:39 am
by sikeston bulldog2
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:35 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
A little Guess Who for our morning pleasure Bulldog. Well played!
Ha. Thanx, my feeble attempt at entertainment.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 10:42 am
by zuck698
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:39 am
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:35 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
A little Guess Who for our morning pleasure Bulldog. Well played!
Ha. Thanx, my feeble attempt at entertainment.
I tried to sprinkle in a little Meat Loaf on another post you had, but I bow down to the O.G.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 10:45 am
by sikeston bulldog2
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:35 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
A little Guess Who for our morning pleasure Bulldog. Well played!
Another one- Eyes of the Stranger- Queensryche.
“ and then, I stare into the eyes of the Stranger. I’ve always known that the mirror never lies. People turn away, from the eyes of their Stranger. Afraid to see, what hides behind the stare.”
Something like that.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 10:47 am
by sikeston bulldog2
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:42 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:39 am
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:35 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
A little Guess Who for our morning pleasure Bulldog. Well played!
Ha. Thanx, my feeble attempt at entertainment.
I tried to sprinkle in a little Meat Loaf on another post you had, but I bow down to the O.G.
It’s weird. I look at a writing, and sometimes a song lyric appears. Maybe a spiritual extension of the musics intent.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 10:56 am
by Ronnie Dobbs
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 08:28 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 08:25 am
That is why I have gone back and forth about trading a young player like Donovan. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM. He is young and I think will be a great talent over next 6 to 8 years. Why not lock him down? I realize he is most valuable trade chip. Trading our best makes me feel like the Pirates.
I think the point here is, and as much as I like Donovan, if he's the best player on your team, you have basically zero chance of winning a WS.
Yep. But on a similar note, if you have a whole team of affordable young guys that are as good as Donovan, that’s when you can trade for or sign that star player or three that will take you from a decent team to a really good one. And I think that’s the idea when building from within.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 11:00 am
by zuck698
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:47 am
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:42 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:39 am
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:35 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
A little Guess Who for our morning pleasure Bulldog. Well played!
Ha. Thanx, my feeble attempt at entertainment.
I tried to sprinkle in a little Meat Loaf on another post you had, but I bow down to the O.G.
It’s weird. I look at a writing, and sometimes a song lyric appears. Maybe a spiritual extension of the musics intent.
I get it Bulldog. I have the same quirk. I think maybe it is just that music is so impactful for many of us, than when you see a line, it just automatically take you back to a lyric and time. Either that, or to much of the wacky!
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 11:32 am
by sikeston bulldog2
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 11:00 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:47 am
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:42 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:39 am
zuck698 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 10:35 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:43 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
These eyes. Watched you bring my world to an end. These eyes. Watched us lose some games, yet contend.
A little Guess Who for our morning pleasure Bulldog. Well played!
Ha. Thanx, my feeble attempt at entertainment.
I tried to sprinkle in a little Meat Loaf on another post you had, but I bow down to the O.G.
It’s weird. I look at a writing, and sometimes a song lyric appears. Maybe a spiritual extension of the musics intent.
I get it Bulldog. I have the same quirk. I think maybe it is just that music is so impactful for many of us, than when you see a line, it just automatically take you back to a lyric and time. Either that, or to much of the wacky!
Good. Not alone.
And the wacky has its say. What were once vices are now habits.
I feel some/others say it better/well enough to be used as a statement.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 11:34 am
by AZ_Cardsfan
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 11:38 am
by sikeston bulldog2
That’s actually my intent. Make others listen. Maybe hear a beat new song. Or as in many cases, remember an old lost classic. I don’t know if it is a curse, bad habit, blessing, or a gift- ha. Silly [shirt].
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 11:57 am
by alw80
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:33 am
alw80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 07:14 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
The Cardinals owe you nothing.
Sort of a Richard thing to say and idiotic. The business does not owe their customers anything? Wow! You must work for the government.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 11:58 am
by alw80
alw80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 11:57 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:33 am
alw80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 07:14 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
The Cardinals owe you nothing.
Sort of a Richard thing to say and idiotic. The business does not owe their customers anything? Wow! You must work for the government.
Entitled twaat.
Re: Maybe I look at it with the eyes of an old man...
Posted: 22 Nov 2025 14:18 pm
by renostl
alw80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 11:58 am
alw80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 11:57 am
Jatalk wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 09:33 am
alw80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2025 07:14 am
CCard wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 20:58 pm
Some on here are proponents of intentionally making the team worse in the short term to try to catch lightning in a bottle long term. They say 3 to 5 years and we'll have a super team. On par to the Dodgers and Yankees of MLB. I might be biased in that I'm an old man in ill health and I might not have 3 to 5 years to wait for this vaunted super team. I've been a Cardinals fan since I was a young teenager and it was the one thing that me and my grandfather could relate to together. It helped us grow close. He's been gone a long time now. He got to enjoy Whiteyball in the 80's but he was gone by the time Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright made their marks. He would have loved it. That's why I'm a proponent of getting into the playoffs. At least you give people hope that it can happen. Intentionally losing has a stench about it that just doesn't sit well with me. I may have a few years and I'd hate to see it taken away by some pie in the sky rebuilding plan. Those of us near the end want to challenge and win now, not in 5 years. If anything is for sure it's that not all of us will get that chance. So you see, might vision for the Cards is not the same as some who "have a plan" that would take years. Aside from all the other number crunching, Baseball is about heart, feeling. To me that's what its always been about and I'd hate to deprive the fans of that excitement. Especially those near the end.
The Cardinals owe you nothing.
Sort of a Richard thing to say and idiotic. The business does not owe their customers anything? Wow! You must work for the government.
Entitled twaat.
The Cardinals as well as any other sports team do
owe that community. It is implied that they will attempt
to compete.
Any other business and I'll likely agree. But any other business that was
locally based would go belly up if they didn't deliver the implied product.
Sports teams don't have that risk. The owners, who we could also call entitled if we wanted,
took that duty on when they bought a franchise and ask for all levels of
community support, state support, tax breaks, help build their places of business.
So who is acting so entitled?
Most understand that WS are rare. Only 11 championships in 144 years with several occurring
not in their time. Yet that's best in the NL, so most get it, that is hardly an entitled view with
an implied contract.
Effort to win should be shown with a team that represents a community that is supported
by that community. If owners don't want to live up to that responsibility, it's easy sell since the job is too big.
Take the millions or billions that you made from being simply the caretaker of a historic franchise and go.
The name calling isn't needed unless that's all you have to offer.
Many hide behind an anonymous keyboard when doing so.
