Shady wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 11:04 am
Hopefully, Bloom will come away with at least one All Star caliber player and another that could develop into one. Preferably, one is as starting pitcher and the other is a slugger.
Correct.
As I have correctly analyzed previously, if Bloom deals Donovan it must be as part of a package and he must receive both a quality MLB player and a high ceiling prospect in return.
Example: Donovan, Romero, Hence, and Pallante to the Dodgers for Pages and Ferris.
Red7 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 22:21 pm
You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.
You have said that on several threads now. Baseball Trade Value has him at $33M trade value. That is bringing back a lot more than what you suggest. For example, Liam Doyle is at $29M on Baseball Trade Value. The Baseball Trade Value website has been very accurate over the years.
That’s a fairly worthless metric. Outside of this forum, I’ve never seen that to analyze either prospective deals or actual ones.
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
why would it be "Bloom failed" if we get prospects?...that's what the industry says we're getting. Do you expect the team will be competing in 2026?
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
why would it be "Bloom failed" if we get prospects?...that's what the industry says we're getting. Do you expect the team will be competing in 2026?
Competing for what? With some savvy moves, Bloom could have the Cardinals competing for a wildcard next season.
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
why would it be "Bloom failed" if we get prospects?...that's what the industry says we're getting. Do you expect the team will be competing in 2026?
No but expect something that can contribute immediately or late in year. Like I said may have to be a package but don’t waste a player like Donovan on some prospect projected for 2027 or 2028.
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
Finally a voice of reason. I would rather keep him than get prospects 2 years out at best. If you research opinions on value it looks like an mlb ready player and a prospect or two is reasonable to expect.
Shady wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 11:04 am
Hopefully, Bloom will come away with at least one All Star caliber player and another that could develop into one. Preferably, one is as starting pitcher and the other is a slugger.
Red7 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2025 22:21 pm
You’re looking at a similar return for Donovan that you got for Helsley: A 2nd tier prospect. A 3rd tier prospect. A lottery ticket. He’s got no outstanding qualities: he doesn’t hit .300, has little power, and his OBP has suffered in his quest for more power. His arm is average or below for an outfielder and has average speed. He plays hard and is a ball player as opposed to a guy who plays ball. He more or less fits the role of scrappy white guy so popular in STL.
You have said that on several threads now. Baseball Trade Value has him at $33M trade value. That is bringing back a lot more than what you suggest. For example, Liam Doyle is at $29M on Baseball Trade Value. The Baseball Trade Value website has been very accurate over the years.
That’s a fairly worthless metric. Outside of this forum, I’ve never seen that to analyze either prospective deals or actual ones.
It is used literally by everyone in baseball. If Donovan is traded, we can compare your comments to how accurate it was...
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
I expect the Cardinals to look for the main piece (or maybe the only piece) they get back for Donovan to be on a timeline to the majors that is no longer than Liam Doyle's, whether you think Doyle is a late 2026 or ST 2027 addition to the roster.
Ideally, they should be wanting to have Wetherholt, Doyle, and whomever is the best young player/prospect they can get for Donovan in the majors and firing on all cylinders by ~2029 at the latest (assuming that even if the get called up in 2026/2027, it might take them a couple of years to really start to max out on their talent).
Shady wrote: ↑23 Nov 2025 15:16 pm
What seems to be a popular opinion regarding trading Donovan. 1) Get quality over quantity. 2) Preferably, a starting pitcher and a position player that can really help the team very soon.
It may have to come in a package deal with Donovan being the pretty bow on the package, but the return has to be MLB caliber players or very, very close. If it for prospects we may or may not see two years from now, Bloom failed.
100% agree. This waiting a few years to even see if they are good enough to climb through several levels of the minors and maintain high production is too risky. Just like free agency entails overpaying for instant gratification, so is trading for proven and controlled commodities under age 30.
The further you go toward either end of the professional baseball aging curve - toward 17/18 yr. old prospects in A-ball on one end or toward veteran players in their late 30s on the other - you are always taking more risk.
Every team is going to value players who have demonstrated a high level of performance in the majors for 1-2 years, are still under 26, and have 4-5 years of team control left. Such players are the cornerstone of every team in baseball, whether a "win now" contender or a rebuilding team. So it should be nearly impossible to pry one of them loose from whomever they play for.
