To all of you idiots that want to trade Winn

[gpe13579]

To me it doesn't much matter if they should trade him or not. To do so would be a bold and outside the box thinking move. Not exactly what the Cardinals are known for.

Maybe Bloom will be different but the organization in general doesn't operate that way.

[Carp4Cy]

For the right deal I would trade anyone on this team in a heartbeat. Including Winn.

Then you’d get a stud and have a pitchers nightmare. Some positions when adequately filled are non negotiable. The return could never justify the vacancy.

This is one.

I see your point but I think we could adequately cover the SS position. Frankly I would rather have a slugger in the outfield than a GG shortstop. But that’s just me.

GG shortstops are much more difficult to find than a slugging outfielder.

He has a point though. JJW might not be that big a drop off from GG level. And if we add a slugger in the OF to boot…

[sikeston bulldog2]

"Idiots"

I'd trade him in a NY Minute for a young FOTR (low level #1/#2) starting pitcher or power hitting OF'er w/multiple years of control.

The ONLY way he ever makes an all-star team is as a "charity" pick, ala P. Dejong.

NL SS's :

Lindor
Betts
Turner
Boegarts
DeLaCruz
Swanson
Abrams
Perdomo

I respect the opinions of those who would never trade him but also respect those who would for the right player.

Winn now heads that list. He’s the reigning GG, and will always have a GG glove. That never ages. He hits better than Maxie, but not as good as Edgar.

You build around Winn JJ and Scott.

[ScotchMIrish]

I wouldn't resort to calling people idiots but I agree we can't trade a GG shortstop. He's as good or better than whoever will play 3B in 2026 and he is 23 years old. Can't trade him.

[ecleme22]

For the right deal I would trade anyone on this team in a heartbeat. Including Winn.

Then you’d get a stud and have a pitchers nightmare. Some positions when adequately filled are non negotiable. The return could never justify the vacancy.

This is one.

I see your point but I think we could adequately cover the SS position. Frankly I would rather have a slugger in the outfield than a GG shortstop. But that’s just me.

GG shortstops are much more difficult to find than a slugging outfielder.

He has a point though. JJW might not be that big a drop off from GG level. And if we add a slugger in the OF to boot…

What you’re saying is Winn might be redundant on the roster.

Fine.

But let’s first find that out through playing the games. Let JJ’s play, for example, make Winn’s redundancy undeniable before moving on.

[ScotchMIrish]

There is no such thing as untouchable. If PIT offered Skenes straight across do you think STL says no?

Having said that I would not be actively marketing Winn. A team would need to come to me and wow me.

You point is a hypothetical that would never happen. The old rule of thumb is you never trade an everyday star player for a pitcher who risks of being injured are always present.

You just can't consider trading the most valuable player on the team when he is young and the team is a rebuilding era. Anyone else I have no problem, but not Winn.

Pump the brakes on him just a little bit. He’s got a great glove, great arm. Hisnbat still leaves alot more to be desired and will likely struggle to ever hit 20 hr, his OBP isn’t anything to fall in love with and while he has elite speed, he doesn’t appear to know how to use it on the base path. We all hope/anticipate he will develop more as he gets older but if it weren’t for his glove he would quickly fall into JAG territory amongst all of us.

That not me saying that we shouldn’t be wowed in a trade for him. Or that I don’t believe he will reach superstar status. But I’m not cold shouldering a team that offers a young power hitter(which we don’t have) or a young Ace potential starter(which we also don’t have) for the kid. He’s just not THAT untouchable……yet

20 home runs? A gold glove SS has to have power also? How man home runs did Ozzie hit?

In 61 games at SS in 2025 Wetherholt committed 10 errors. Trade Winn and install Wetherholt at SS and he will need to significantly improve defensively. A poor shortstop will cost far more games than he will ever win with his bat. You can't give MLB teams 4 outs.

Baseball reference doesn't break down those errors between fielding and throwing but that's not a good number.

[rockondlouie]

"Idiots"

I'd trade him in a NY Minute for a young FOTR (low level #1/#2) starting pitcher or power hitting OF'er w/multiple years of control.

The ONLY way he ever makes an all-star team is as a "charity" pick, ala P. Dejong.

NL SS's :

Lindor
Betts
Turner
Boegarts
DeLaCruz
Swanson
Abrams
Perdomo

I respect the opinions of those who would never trade him but also respect those who would for the right player.

Winn now heads that list. He’s the reigning GG, and will always have a GG glove. That never ages. He hits better than Maxie, but not as good as Edgar.

You build around Winn JJ and Scott.

Surely you jest BDog

Winn is at the BOTTOM of that list.

And you build around JJW if he's the star hitter most think he will be.

[renostl]

"Idiots"

I'd trade him in a NY Minute for a young FOTR (low level #1/#2) starting pitcher or power hitting OF'er w/multiple years of control.

The ONLY way he ever makes an all-star team is as a "charity" pick, ala P. Dejong.

NL SS's :

Lindor
Betts
Turner
Boegarts
DeLaCruz
Swanson
Abrams
Perdomo

I respect the opinions of those who would never trade him but also respect those who would for the right player.

Winn now heads that list. He’s the reigning GG, and will always have a GG glove. That never ages. He hits better than Maxie, but not as good as Edgar.

You build around Winn JJ and Scott.

SS is heavily weighted toward the glove for myself. It's the position that a zero OAA just isn't good enough.
SS affects more hit baseballs than any other. Can turn all balls gotten to into outs, unlike outfielders. Can allow
for less range elsewhere.
Find more hitting elsewhere. It's more budget friendly anyway vs Story or Seager.

De La Cruz on the above list would be cause for a headache. He has to clean that up and he can.
Winn needs to pick it up too. He still has a lot of chance to do that and he can too.
Winn has had a 104 OPS+ and fell to a 90. Scott made a significant step up and got to
a 72 OPS+.

VS will be a role player if he is unable to get to where Winn fell to. He has to get on base
for the speed to matter more than a few extra flyballs a week over a half step slower CFer.
.330 needs to be a minimum standard for his profile, jmo, and when looking at the current roster
you can't keep throwing away positions and expect much change in XHB. Without 30+ HR guys then
more in the 20's are needed. Currently they have 1. True find it elsewhere, but several black
holes aren't good either.

[renostl]

"Idiots"

I'd trade him in a NY Minute for a young FOTR (low level #1/#2) starting pitcher or power hitting OF'er w/multiple years of control.

The ONLY way he ever makes an all-star team is as a "charity" pick, ala P. Dejong.

NL SS's :

Lindor
Betts
Turner
Boegarts
DeLaCruz
Swanson
Abrams
Perdomo

I respect the opinions of those who would never trade him but also respect those who would for the right player.

Winn now heads that list. He’s the reigning GG, and will always have a GG glove. That never ages. He hits better than Maxie, but not as good as Edgar.

You build around Winn JJ and Scott.

[renostl]

"Idiots"

I'd trade him in a NY Minute for a young FOTR (low level #1/#2) starting pitcher or power hitting OF'er w/multiple years of control.

The ONLY way he ever makes an all-star team is as a "charity" pick, ala P. Dejong.

NL SS's :

Lindor
Betts
Turner
Boegarts
DeLaCruz
Swanson
Abrams
Perdomo

I respect the opinions of those who would never trade him but also respect those who would for the right player.

Winn now heads that list. He’s the reigning GG, and will always have a GG glove. That never ages. He hits better than Maxie, but not as good as Edgar.

You build around Winn JJ and Scott.

SS is heavily weighted toward the glove for myself. It's the position that a zero OAA just isn't good enough.
SS affects more hit baseballs than any other. Can turn all balls gotten to into outs, unlike outfielders. SS can allow
for less range elsewhere.
Find more hitting elsewhere. It's more budget friendly anyway vs Story or Seager.

De La Cruz on the above list would be cause for a headache. He has to clean that up and he can.
Winn needs to pick it up too. He still has a lot of chance to do that and he can too.
Winn has had a 104 OPS+ and fell to a 90. Scott made a significant step up and got to
a 72 OPS+.

VS will be a role player if he is unable to get to where Winn fell to. He has to get on base
for the speed to matter more than a few extra flyballs a week over a half step slower CFer.
.330 needs to be a minimum standard for his profile, jmo, and when looking at the current roster
you can't keep throwing away positions and expect much change in XHB. Without 30+ HR guys then
more in the 20's are needed. Currently they have 1. True find it elsewhere, but several black
holes aren't good either.

[Youboughtit]

For the right deal I would trade anyone on this team in a heartbeat. Including Winn.

He is the one they HAVE to keep.

You mush have faith he will develop all star SS 30HR power. I don’t see him as more than a 10-15 rank SS in his prime. And No I don’t care about his DWar. This team needs offense

[Youboughtit]

"Idiots"

I'd trade him in a NY Minute for a young FOTR (low level #1/#2) starting pitcher or power hitting OF'er w/multiple years of control.

The ONLY way he ever makes an all-star team is as a "charity" pick, ala P. Dejong.

NL SS's :

Lindor
Betts
Turner
Boegarts
DeLaCruz
Swanson
Abrams
Perdomo

I respect the opinions of those who would never trade him but also respect those who would for the right player.

Winn now heads that list. He’s the reigning GG, and will always have a GG glove. That never ages. He hits better than Maxie, but not as good as Edgar.

You build around Winn JJ and Scott.

SS is an offensive position. The difference between a GG SS and middle of the pack is minimal. Have to be a offensive difference maker

[renostl]

For the right deal I would trade anyone on this team in a heartbeat. Including Winn.

He is the one they HAVE to keep.

You mush have faith he will develop all star SS 30HR power. I don’t see him as more than a 10-15 rank SS in his prime. And No I don’t care about his DWar. This team needs offense

A lot of room between 10 and 30.

What does 15-20 do?

The issues are that there isn't any urgency in moving Winn.
Winn and 4 other SS on the roster is far, far different than Contreras and 4
other catchers, 4 DH's, or 4 1B.

Multiples of each that don't necessarily bring their own calling card to the table.
Not a GG finalist or close. 1 guy with 20 HR's. They're not fully positive players on
either side of the ball.


2025 playoff teams have more than 1 SS.
An average or slightly better than average bat with a plus glove is still an attribute
especially at SS. Other spots even CF I'm open to depending on the situation.

A few names in the 15-20 range for 2025

Perdomo, Betts 20
Abrams, Volpe 19
Bichette 18
Henderson, Pena 17
Turner 15
Bogaerts 11

[HorseTrader]

Thank GOODNESS you arent in charge of anything important, a young GG shortstop with strong bat potential doesn’t grow on trees, especially one with a solid work ethic who WILL get better. And trading him creates a huge hole at 2nd or 3rd if JJ has to do SS.

Even Moe was smart enough to know not to trade Winn, wow

The only idiot is the one who started this thread. If the Yankees offered you Judge for Winn and they pay 80% of Judge's salary, would you say no? Sure that's not going to happen but you never say no until the trade is proposed.

[CraigPaquette]

IMO the only idiots are Mo and Oli. I don't think anyone on this pathetic roster should be off limits. This team needs multiple assets, no matter how it is sacrificed. No one on this roster is irreplaceable anyway. You can have a desperate team willing to trade a couple of high end prospects for the guy, you have to listen. This team needs quality and quantity so again I would think no one is off limits. Winn is nowhere close to a Pujols and that is the only player in my history of fandom that was considered "off limits" as far as position players are concerned.