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TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:56 pm

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:48 pm

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:44 pm

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:37 pm Give me Noah Cameron and a prospect from KC but I’m sure they’re not wanting to trade him. Pass if they offer Kolek and/or Bergert.

Here's AI's take on a Cameron for Donovan swap:

Here’s how a **Donovan-for-Cameron trade** compares based on control, value, and team needs:

***

### **Control & Salaries**

**Noah Cameron (Royals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Through 2027 arbitration, free agent in 2032 [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |
| **2025 Salary** | Pre-arbitration at \~$760K [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |

**Brendan Donovan (Cardinals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Arbitration-eligible through 2027, free agent in 2028 [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... an-donovan) |
| **2025 Salary** | $2.85M (requested $3.3M) [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million), [\[krcgtv.com\]](https://krcgtv.com/sports/content/cardi ... -wednesday) |

***

### **Performance & Value**

**Noah Cameron (2025):**

* 2.99 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 138 IP, \~1.8 fWAR [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[baseball-r...erence.com\]](https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... no01.shtml)
* Strong breaking pitches, but likely to regress (FIP 4.18, xERA 3.97) [\[sports.yahoo.com\]](https://sports.yahoo.com/article/2025-s ... 00508.html), [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P)

**Brendan Donovan (2024–25):**

* Three-season total: .280 AVG, 30 HR, \~7.4 WAR [\[newsnow.com\]](https://www.newsnow.com/us/Sports/MLB/MLB+Trades), [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million)

***

### **Team Intentions & Tradeability**

* **Royals** have pitching depth, may trade Cameron to improve offense [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)
* Offense needs remain **primary priority** for Royals 2026 [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/onsi/news ... 2026-curt9), [\[kingsofkauffman.com\]](https://kingsofkauffman.com/2-glaring-n ... jswa8zadb7)

***

### **Is It a Fair 1-for-1?**

* **Edge to Donovan**: Higher WAR, exceptional versatility, stronger market value
* **Edge to Cameron**: Longer team control through 2027, cost-efficiency
* **Market Expectations**: Royals would require **Donovan + at least one additional mid-tier prospect** to trade Cameron [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)

***

### **Conclusion**

* A straight **1-for-1** swap would **favor the Royals**.
* To balance value, **Cardinals must include a mid-tier prospect** alongside Donovan.
* The package needs to reflect fair value for Cameron’s control and upside—and meet the Royals’ need for offense.

***

I’d do a 1 for 1 trade or even throw in a low level prospect for Cameron.

AI suggested throwing in Saggesse

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:12 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:41 pmHolding Burleson and Hererra are what I thought made sense. Move Contreras and open up 1B/DH for those two.

Interest in Donovan isn't surprising. What we get in return is the question.

That is pretty much where I stand as well with regards to Burleson and Herrera. I would say, however, if you can't trade Willson for whatever reason, I think you have to trade Burleson.

ilcubuffs wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:04 pm " would prefer to hold Alec Burleson and Iván Herrera." Has to be a joke right ????

Two players who are avg hitters and inept defensively they want to keep but willing to part with a player of Donovan's quality. Supposed to be keeping quality players as base for 2027 (??) team and weeding out the redundant marginal players. Like someone to actually confirm Mo Ran is NOT still making baseball decisions.

ilcubuffs wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:04 pm " would prefer to hold Alec Burleson and Iván Herrera." Has to be a joke right ????

Two players who are avg hitters and inept defensively they want to keep but willing to part with a player of Donovan's quality. Supposed to be keeping quality players as base for 2027 (??) team and weeding out the redundant marginal players. Like someone to actually confirm Mo Ran is NOT still making baseball decisions.

ilcubuffs wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:04 pm " would prefer to hold Alec Burleson and Iván Herrera." Has to be a joke right ????

Two players who are avg hitters and inept defensively they want to keep but willing to part with a player of Donovan's quality. Supposed to be keeping quality players as base for 2027 (??) team and weeding out the redundant marginal players. Like someone to actually confirm Mo Ran is NOT still making baseball decisions.

82birds wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:32 pm paragraph from a RedbirdRants article:

The St. Louis Cardinals are finally beginning to break free of the shackles that have left them trapped in John Mozeliak's dungeon of mediocrity. With Chaim Bloom providing the team a clear direction to return to competitiveness within what is hopefully only a few seasons, brighter days look to lie ahead for the Cardinals as they slog through a rebuild.



John Mozeliak's dungeon of mediocrity.....well put.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 16:00 pm

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:56 pm

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:48 pm

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:44 pm

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:37 pm Give me Noah Cameron and a prospect from KC but I’m sure they’re not wanting to trade him. Pass if they offer Kolek and/or Bergert.

Here's AI's take on a Cameron for Donovan swap:

Here’s how a **Donovan-for-Cameron trade** compares based on control, value, and team needs:

***

### **Control & Salaries**

**Noah Cameron (Royals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Through 2027 arbitration, free agent in 2032 [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |
| **2025 Salary** | Pre-arbitration at \~$760K [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |

**Brendan Donovan (Cardinals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Arbitration-eligible through 2027, free agent in 2028 [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... an-donovan) |
| **2025 Salary** | $2.85M (requested $3.3M) [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million), [\[krcgtv.com\]](https://krcgtv.com/sports/content/cardi ... -wednesday) |

***

### **Performance & Value**

**Noah Cameron (2025):**

* 2.99 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 138 IP, \~1.8 fWAR [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[baseball-r...erence.com\]](https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... no01.shtml)
* Strong breaking pitches, but likely to regress (FIP 4.18, xERA 3.97) [\[sports.yahoo.com\]](https://sports.yahoo.com/article/2025-s ... 00508.html), [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P)

**Brendan Donovan (2024–25):**

* Three-season total: .280 AVG, 30 HR, \~7.4 WAR [\[newsnow.com\]](https://www.newsnow.com/us/Sports/MLB/MLB+Trades), [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million)

***

### **Team Intentions & Tradeability**

* **Royals** have pitching depth, may trade Cameron to improve offense [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)
* Offense needs remain **primary priority** for Royals 2026 [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/onsi/news ... 2026-curt9), [\[kingsofkauffman.com\]](https://kingsofkauffman.com/2-glaring-n ... jswa8zadb7)

***

### **Is It a Fair 1-for-1?**

* **Edge to Donovan**: Higher WAR, exceptional versatility, stronger market value
* **Edge to Cameron**: Longer team control through 2027, cost-efficiency
* **Market Expectations**: Royals would require **Donovan + at least one additional mid-tier prospect** to trade Cameron [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)

***

### **Conclusion**

* A straight **1-for-1** swap would **favor the Royals**.
* To balance value, **Cardinals must include a mid-tier prospect** alongside Donovan.
* The package needs to reflect fair value for Cameron’s control and upside—and meet the Royals’ need for offense.

***

I’d do a 1 for 1 trade or even throw in a low level prospect for Cameron.

AI suggested throwing in Saggesse

Talkin' Baseball suggests trading Saggese to KC instead of Donovan. There are much better team matchups for St Louis with Donovan than KC.

82birds wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:32 pm ...dungeon of mediocrity.....

RunSup wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:52 pm Glad to hear some action on Donovan. He is clearly the one of the trade-high players on the team and he has the highest value.

They should be open to Burleson too.

Winn and Wetherholt are the ones to build around. Everyone else can go. Have to be blown away on a Winn trade.

2028 is when they compete to win. With injured pitching prospects starting to return in 2027.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:24 pm

ilcubuffs wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:04 pm " would prefer to hold Alec Burleson and Iván Herrera." Has to be a joke right ????

Two players who are avg hitters and inept defensively they want to keep but willing to part with a player of Donovan's quality. Supposed to be keeping quality players as base for 2027 (??) team and weeding out the redundant marginal players. Like someone to actually confirm Mo Ran is NOT still making baseball decisions.

Well it would be smart to trade Donovan because they don’t have anyone else who is going to bring them back good prospects and Donovan isn’t going to help the cardinals win anything anyway. I wouldn’t call Herrera and burly average hitters both were better than Donovan

Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:55 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:52 pm Glad to hear some action on Donovan. He is clearly the one of the trade-high players on the team and he has the highest value.

They should be open to Burleson too.

Winn and Wetherholt are the ones to build around. Everyone else can go. Have to be blown away on a Winn trade.

2028 is when they compete to win. With injured pitching prospects starting to return in 2027.

So this guy should be set free…..but keep a GG avg hitting SS and AAA kid whose never played in MLB
Do you think the Cards have so much offense that the below stats are expendable?
How much money would Cards spend on a FA to reproduce those stats?
384 AB
.284
19HR
OBP
.373
SLG
.464
OPS
.837

RunSup wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 19:10 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:55 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:52 pm Glad to hear some action on Donovan. He is clearly the one of the trade-high players on the team and he has the highest value.

They should be open to Burleson too.

Winn and Wetherholt are the ones to build around. Everyone else can go. Have to be blown away on a Winn trade.

2028 is when they compete to win. With injured pitching prospects starting to return in 2027.

So this guy should be set free…..but keep a GG avg hitting SS and AAA kid whose never played in MLB
Do you think the Cards have so much offense that the below stats are expendable?
How much money would Cards spend on a FA to reproduce those stats?
384 AB
.284
19HR
OBP
.373
SLG
.464
OPS
.837

I would keep Herrerra over Burleson. But I would not build around 1B/DH. Any of them. They are pieces to the puzzle but not the core.

Herrera will never be the starting catcher. Bernal/Crooks are better catchers. Oli won't let go of Pages next year.

Yes Herrerra is a good bat. But if a trade for good SP was there I'd do it.

Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 19:13 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 19:10 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:55 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 18:52 pm Glad to hear some action on Donovan. He is clearly the one of the trade-high players on the team and he has the highest value.

They should be open to Burleson too.

Winn and Wetherholt are the ones to build around. Everyone else can go. Have to be blown away on a Winn trade.

2028 is when they compete to win. With injured pitching prospects starting to return in 2027.

So this guy should be set free…..but keep a GG avg hitting SS and AAA kid whose never played in MLB
Do you think the Cards have so much offense that the below stats are expendable?
How much money would Cards spend on a FA to reproduce those stats?
384 AB
.284
19HR
OBP
.373
SLG
.464
OPS
.837

I would keep Herrerra over Burleson. But I would not build around 1B/DH. Any of them. They are pieces to the puzzle but not the core.

Herrera will never be the starting catcher. Bernal/Crooks are better catchers. Oli won't let go of Pages next year.

Yes Herrerra is a good bat. But if a trade for good SP was there I'd do it.

Again….where are you going to replicate those numbers put up with 384 AB’s. This team has little power and is LH heavy…….