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Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 31 Oct 2025 23:16 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
Wouldn’t get much at this point with his hitting. What if Bichette played 2B since he’s not the best SS and trade Wetherholt for a high end young starting pitcher with control and a good throw in?
Might have to extend Donovan under that circumstance for some insurance/depth as a super utility guy, a role in which he has flourished. If things go well enough with Winn then maybe Donny settles in at 3rd.
That would be more win-now maneuvering so they’d have to be aggressive in fixing the outfield situation, which might be too big of a task in one offseason.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 00:54 am
by Chitownredbird
Yes I’d go after Bo but we won’t.
No I wouldn’t trade Winn even if we got Bo (pipe dream)
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 06:24 am
by ScotchMIrish
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 22:54 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 22:50 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 22:18 pm
An Old Friend wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 21:54 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 19:54 pm
Scouty really hates Winn.
I wouldn’t be shocked if Bloom traded Winn and Wetherholt was the opening day shortstop
I don’t think it will happen… but it’s not out of the realm of possibilities
I don’t think bloom is that dumb but he might be
Yeah I know you already hate him, you don’t need to keep saying it.
I don’t hate him I’m glad he’s taking over I just don’t think he’s dumb enough to trade a gold glove caliber short stop and install a lesser defensive shortstop who a lot of scouts think will be a second baseman or third baseman long term. I think he would be smart enough to want to build around a strong defensive up the middle which would be Winn at short and JJ at second
I agree. If we were going to sign him we probably keep Winn at SS and move Bichette to 3B but the alternative would be to put Donovan or Wetherholt at 3B and spend the projected $25 to $30 million a year Bichette would be getting on starting pitching if Bloom has that much to spend.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 06:36 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Not for Winn or anyone else. Too much for a rebuild. Seems like we are robbing Peter just to (bleep) Paul off.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 07:44 am
by 2ninr
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 06:36 am
Not for Winn or anyone else. Too much for a rebuild. Seems like we are robbing Peter just to (bleep) Paul off.
Yep Dog. Slow time when this is a discussion.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 08:06 am
by sikeston bulldog2
2ninr wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 07:44 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 06:36 am
Not for Winn or anyone else. Too much for a rebuild. Seems like we are robbing Peter just to (bleep) Paul off.
Yep Dog. Slow time when this is a discussion.
I mean. I like the outside the box thinking and I realize the pool of candidates is shallow, but standing knee deep doest constitute swimming. It mimics treading water.
Good luck figuring that mess out- ha.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 08:08 am
by ecleme22
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 23:16 pm
Wouldn’t get much at this point with his hitting. What if Bichette played 2B since he’s not the best SS and trade Wetherholt for a high end young starting pitcher with control and a good throw in?
Might have to extend Donovan under that circumstance for some insurance/depth as a super utility guy, a role in which he has flourished. If things go well enough with Winn then maybe Donny settles in at 3rd.
That would be more win-now maneuvering so they’d have to be aggressive in fixing the outfield situation, which might be too big of a task in one offseason.
So trade cost controlled JJ, then add about 300m in payroll w BB and BD contracts, who are both nearing 30 years old… hmmm.
Why not keep Winn and JJ, then use that 300mil for multiple starters, a 3b, etc…
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 08:17 am
by HorseTrader
ecleme22 wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 21:10 pm
+1
BB is not a good defender. Shortstop isn’t position you skimp on defense.
+2 because of the defense and I too think Winn's offense will improve
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 09:02 am
by rockondlouie
Heck yea
Deal M. Winn for a young, cost controlled staring pitcher.
But doubt BDWJr would pony the $$$$ ($180+M/7 yrs?) million) needed to sign Dante's boy.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 09:03 am
by CorneliusWolfe
ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 08:08 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 23:16 pm
Wouldn’t get much at this point with his hitting. What if Bichette played 2B since he’s not the best SS and trade Wetherholt for a high end young starting pitcher with control and a good throw in?
Might have to extend Donovan under that circumstance for some insurance/depth as a super utility guy, a role in which he has flourished. If things go well enough with Winn then maybe Donny settles in at 3rd.
That would be more win-now maneuvering so they’d have to be aggressive in fixing the outfield situation, which might be too big of a task in one offseason.
So trade cost controlled JJ, then add about 300m in payroll w BB and BD contracts, who are both nearing 30 years old… hmmm.
Why not keep Winn and JJ, then use that 300mil for multiple starters, a 3b, etc…
I said that would be a win-now approach. Everyone assumes JJW is going to be our next MVP. Like Walker, Dylan Carlson, Gorman, O’Neil…etc.
This team hasn’t successfully developed a star player in nearly 20 years so I don’t care either way if they move JJW in a big trade.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 09:27 am
by ClassicO
Bichette is as bad a defensive shortstop as Castellanos is an OF. The worst SS in baseball per DRS and Statcast. He's a -32 OAA career. Ugh. Why do people think he'll be good at 3b defensively?
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 09:52 am
by Adam2
Bichette, he doesn't have a twin that I'm aware of. Not Bichettes. But yes if we could get two of him i would trade Masyn.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 10:25 am
by Carp4Cy
I read that Bo would likely have to move off SS to 3b in the near future. He’d be a terrific offensive replacement for what Nado used to produce. Plus keep Winn. Or Put JJW at SS at some point.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 10:26 am
by Carp4Cy
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 09:03 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 08:08 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 23:16 pm
Wouldn’t get much at this point with his hitting. What if Bichette played 2B since he’s not the best SS and trade Wetherholt for a high end young starting pitcher with control and a good throw in?
Might have to extend Donovan under that circumstance for some insurance/depth as a super utility guy, a role in which he has flourished. If things go well enough with Winn then maybe Donny settles in at 3rd.
That would be more win-now maneuvering so they’d have to be aggressive in fixing the outfield situation, which might be too big of a task in one offseason.
So trade cost controlled JJ, then add about 300m in payroll w BB and BD contracts, who are both nearing 30 years old… hmmm.
Why not keep Winn and JJ, then use that 300mil for multiple starters, a 3b, etc…
I said that would be a win-now approach. Everyone assumes JJW is going to be our next MVP. Like Walker, Dylan Carlson, Gorman, O’Neil…etc.
This team hasn’t successfully developed a star player in nearly 20 years so I don’t care either way if they move JJW in a big trade.
Carpenter was only 13 years ago. Although he came out of nowhere without expectations.
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 11:37 am
by ecleme22
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 10:26 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 09:03 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 08:08 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 23:16 pm
Wouldn’t get much at this point with his hitting. What if Bichette played 2B since he’s not the best SS and trade Wetherholt for a high end young starting pitcher with control and a good throw in?
Might have to extend Donovan under that circumstance for some insurance/depth as a super utility guy, a role in which he has flourished. If things go well enough with Winn then maybe Donny settles in at 3rd.
That would be more win-now maneuvering so they’d have to be aggressive in fixing the outfield situation, which might be too big of a task in one offseason.
So trade cost controlled JJ, then add about 300m in payroll w BB and BD contracts, who are both nearing 30 years old… hmmm.
Why not keep Winn and JJ, then use that 300mil for multiple starters, a 3b, etc…
I said that would be a win-now approach. Everyone assumes JJW is going to be our next MVP. Like Walker, Dylan Carlson, Gorman, O’Neil…etc.
This team hasn’t successfully developed a star player in nearly 20 years so I don’t care either way if they move JJW in a big trade.
Carpenter was only 13 years ago. Although he came out of nowhere without expectations.
Donovan and Herrera are pretty recent....
Re: Would you go after Bo Bichettes and...
Posted: 01 Nov 2025 12:03 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 11:37 am
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 10:26 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 09:03 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑01 Nov 2025 08:08 am
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑31 Oct 2025 23:16 pm
Wouldn’t get much at this point with his hitting. What if Bichette played 2B since he’s not the best SS and trade Wetherholt for a high end young starting pitcher with control and a good throw in?
Might have to extend Donovan under that circumstance for some insurance/depth as a super utility guy, a role in which he has flourished. If things go well enough with Winn then maybe Donny settles in at 3rd.
That would be more win-now maneuvering so they’d have to be aggressive in fixing the outfield situation, which might be too big of a task in one offseason.
So trade cost controlled JJ, then add about 300m in payroll w BB and BD contracts, who are both nearing 30 years old… hmmm.
Why not keep Winn and JJ, then use that 300mil for multiple starters, a 3b, etc…
I said that would be a win-now approach. Everyone assumes JJW is going to be our next MVP. Like Walker, Dylan Carlson, Gorman, O’Neil…etc.
This team hasn’t successfully developed a star player in nearly 20 years so I don’t care either way if they move JJW in a big trade.
Carpenter was only 13 years ago. Although he came out of nowhere without expectations.
Donovan and Herrera are pretty recent....
Neither are stars. Donovan is borderline. Matt Carpenter counts though as Carp4 mentioned. 1 1/2 star players out of hundreds of picks. Not down on JJW though, he seems to have a really good chance to legitimate, but who knows.