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Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:34 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:24 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

WLTFE wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 07:38 am

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 21:58 pm Just to be clear, I made this wisecrack during game 3, shortly after Ohtani hit his second home run.

Strange that this thread had a shelf life.

Apparently you have insulted a few Matheny lovers who, coincidentally, were Mozo the Clown apologists and they have a new thread and cause to argue... and they are relentless.

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Shildt - .559
Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 20:06 pm Matheny's attorney, Robert Blitz, was handling a similar case—Fischer and Frichtel, a homebuilder who also defaulted on assets after sustaining losses over the same time period, contends that they should not be fully liable for what is termed as "deflationary debt". The St. Louis appellate court deferred the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. In January 2013, a circuit court ruling determined that the Matheny partnership owed the Business Bank $4.4 million.

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 22:06 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 20:06 pm Matheny's attorney, Robert Blitz, was handling a similar case—Fischer and Frichtel, a homebuilder who also defaulted on assets after sustaining losses over the same time period, contends that they should not be fully liable for what is termed as "deflationary debt". The St. Louis appellate court deferred the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. In January 2013, a circuit court ruling determined that the Matheny partnership owed the Business Bank $4.4 million.

Lots of commercial real estate people got caught up in that quagmire. Circumstances beyond their control.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 22:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 22:06 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 20:06 pm Matheny's attorney, Robert Blitz, was handling a similar case—Fischer and Frichtel, a homebuilder who also defaulted on assets after sustaining losses over the same time period, contends that they should not be fully liable for what is termed as "deflationary debt". The St. Louis appellate court deferred the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. In January 2013, a circuit court ruling determined that the Matheny partnership owed the Business Bank $4.4 million.

Lots of commercial real estate people got caught up in that quagmire. Circumstances beyond their control.

Sure...let's excuse it

Hoo for you

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 15:42 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 13:16 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

You make some stupid post cranny but this one takes the cake.

To even list that slug Matheny w/two Hall of Fame, World Series winning Cardinals Managers make you look like a fool.

If you think a person is a "slug", rock, there's no more conversation to be had.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 16:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:34 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:24 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

OldRed wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 08:43 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 16:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:34 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:24 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:34 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:24 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 09:11 am

OldRed wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 08:43 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 16:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:34 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:24 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

Shildt and Marmol are a combined 1-4 in playoff series with the Cardinals. Matheny is 5-4. Same front office. Same ballpark.

I'm concluding that a lot of these arm chair managers of Cards Talk don't quite have it figured out.

OldRed wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 08:43 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 16:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:34 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:24 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

sdaltons wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 09:28 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 09:11 am

OldRed wrote: ↑30 Oct 2025 08:43 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 16:37 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:34 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:24 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 20:23 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:40 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:13 pm Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

Shildt and Marmol are a combined 1-4 in playoff series with the Cardinals. Matheny is 5-4. Same front office. Same ballpark.

I'm concluding that a lot of these arm chair managers of Cards Talk don't quite have it figured out.

Lmao maybe take a look at the rosters MM had those first few years and compare them with, well, anything MS or OM had.

I'm 100% confident Shildt could manage to put up a 5-4 playoff record with those teams.