Mike Matheny guest coaching for Toronto

[ecleme22]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

[WLTFE]

Just to be clear, I made this wisecrack during game 3, shortly after Ohtani hit his second home run.

Strange that this thread had a shelf life.

Apparently you have insulted a few Matheny lovers who, coincidentally, were Mozo the Clown apologists and they have a new thread and cause to argue... and they are relentless.

...Relentless

[Quincy Varnish]

Career Winning Percentages -

Shildt - .559
Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

FIFY

[ecleme22]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

Cardinals had a good offense in 2017.

[scoutyjones2]

Matheny's attorney, Robert Blitz, was handling a similar case—Fischer and Frichtel, a homebuilder who also defaulted on assets after sustaining losses over the same time period, contends that they should not be fully liable for what is termed as "deflationary debt". The St. Louis appellate court deferred the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. In January 2013, a circuit court ruling determined that the Matheny partnership owed the Business Bank $4.4 million.

[Cranny]

Matheny's attorney, Robert Blitz, was handling a similar case—Fischer and Frichtel, a homebuilder who also defaulted on assets after sustaining losses over the same time period, contends that they should not be fully liable for what is termed as "deflationary debt". The St. Louis appellate court deferred the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. In January 2013, a circuit court ruling determined that the Matheny partnership owed the Business Bank $4.4 million.

Lots of commercial real estate people got caught up in that quagmire. Circumstances beyond their control.

[scoutyjones2]

Matheny's attorney, Robert Blitz, was handling a similar case—Fischer and Frichtel, a homebuilder who also defaulted on assets after sustaining losses over the same time period, contends that they should not be fully liable for what is termed as "deflationary debt". The St. Louis appellate court deferred the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. In January 2013, a circuit court ruling determined that the Matheny partnership owed the Business Bank $4.4 million.

Lots of commercial real estate people got caught up in that quagmire. Circumstances beyond their control.

Sure...let's excuse it

Hoo for you

[ScotchMIrish]

Matheny was 5-4 in playoff series. He is doing it again. Congratulations.

[Cranny]

Matheny's attorney, Robert Blitz, was handling a similar case—Fischer and Frichtel, a homebuilder who also defaulted on assets after sustaining losses over the same time period, contends that they should not be fully liable for what is termed as "deflationary debt". The St. Louis appellate court deferred the case to the Supreme Court of Missouri. In January 2013, a circuit court ruling determined that the Matheny partnership owed the Business Bank $4.4 million.

Lots of commercial real estate people got caught up in that quagmire. Circumstances beyond their control.

Sure...let's excuse it

Hoo for you

Are you a judge, Scouty?

[rockondlouie]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

You make some stupid post cranny but this one takes the cake.

To even list that slug Matheny w/two Hall of Fame, World Series winning Cardinals Managers make you look like a fool.

If you think a person is a "slug", rock, there's no more conversation to be had.

And if you think Matheny inheriting a WS Championship team and riding their coattails comps him to the great Whitey & TLR, then you're right there is no conversation to be had.

[OldRed]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

[ScotchMIrish]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

Shildt and Marmol are a combined 1-4 in playoff series with the Cardinals. Matheny is 5-4. Same front office. Same ballpark.

I'm concluding that a lot of these arm chair managers of Cards Talk don't quite have it figured out.

[sdaltons]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

Like what?

[sdaltons]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

Shildt and Marmol are a combined 1-4 in playoff series with the Cardinals. Matheny is 5-4. Same front office. Same ballpark.

I'm concluding that a lot of these arm chair managers of Cards Talk don't quite have it figured out.

Lmao maybe take a look at the rosters MM had those first few years and compare them with, well, anything MS or OM had.

I'm 100% confident Shildt could manage to put up a 5-4 playoff record with those teams.

[WLTFE]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

+1,000...I see the old dog has a new bone to chew on since Mozo the Clown went home to his beautiful family!

[ScotchMIrish]

Career Winning Percentages -

Matheny - .538
Larussa - .537
Herzog - .532

Matheny wasn't all that bad. And don't try to make a case that he had better players than other managers. He
had a very weak center of the lineup his last few years here. And he had a very low budget team when he was in
Kansas City.

So you’re thinking MM will be going into the hall of
Fame as a manger? lol

Never said that. Just said he wasn’t as bad as some say.

He’s not as good as some say either.

Never said he was good. But he had more credentials than Shildt and Oli.

MS and OM had more credentials as a coach/manager.

And to compare Matheny to LaRussa and Herzog is a real stretch of the imagination.

Shildt and Marmol are a combined 1-4 in playoff series with the Cardinals. Matheny is 5-4. Same front office. Same ballpark.

I'm concluding that a lot of these arm chair managers of Cards Talk don't quite have it figured out.

Lmao maybe take a look at the rosters MM had those first few years and compare them with, well, anything MS or OM had.

I'm 100% confident Shildt could manage to put up a 5-4 playoff record with those teams.

Want to know what his record was with San Diego's loaded roster? 1-2. Then he quit.