P Freddy Peralta could be on the move

[CorneliusWolfe]

Cheap (donkey) ownership. They pack the house and get playoff revenue every year. They obviously draft and develop well but it’s never good enough to close the deal. No reason they can’t at least extend the occasional veteran who’s performed well for them during a good window of opportunity to contend.

Not saying it should be FP, because he always has health issues…but they don’t keep anyone, regardless of performance and health.

The BDW money-saver club wants our team to be just like them too. Which is basically the Mozeliak model, just executed better. They prove, year after year, you need more than just a good young talent base for a championship team. I’m glad they got bounced even if it was by the Dodgers.

Actually , the Brewers have extended not ONE but TWO top notch players .. . Maybe you forgot but back in 2020, the Brewers gave a NINE year extention to OF to Christian Yelich worth $215 M .. Then they most recently signed rookie Jackson Chourio (who was entering his rookie year ) to a EIGHT year $82 M deal and he had not played a game yet for the Brewers. The 8 year deal runs thru 2031 but also has a 2 year team option that could make him a Brewer for 10 years thru 2033. One of the boldest long term deals in MLB history to a kid that had yet to play a game. He has already post back to back 20 hR seasons with 20+ steals as well. Chourio is just 21 years old and next March 11th ( prior to his 3rd MLB year will only b

You’re right, I forgot about Yelich. Extremely rare case for them. Choirio was definitely a bold move.

I wonder how it would be received if the Cards did the same with Wetherholt? I’d bet that at least 2-3 out of 5 of those type of deals turn out bad for the team as so many top prospects wash out. Thankfully we didn’t do that with Dylan Carlson or Jordan Walker.

Either way, I’m not too proud to admit you got me on a couple recent and good examples so I’ll concede that maybe they are changing their cheap ways to some degree.

I'm not sure Matt Arnold would have sign Yelich, Murphy did that one.
Chourio is still very inexpensive. It will be close as to where arbitration raises would have got
him, maybe cheaper. Top 5 CF production would cost a bit.

I have to credit them for that deal. If Chourio had busted out, the GM would’ve looked like an idiot and committed a fireable offense. Instead he got a stud player for cheap with the promise of security that a minor leaguer who’s never played a big league game just couldn’t resist.

I wonder what the player’s union thinks about that deal? If he continues to develop and get even better, he would’ve made quadruple the $$ in free agency. He might’ve even exceeded the value of the deal after three years of arbitration anyway.

Since you brought up Chourio’s deal and how union May feel about it, thought you should know a couple other tidbits if the deal.
While thr main deal is 8 years for $80+ M , the two team option years (years 9 & 10 ) should Brewerd exercise them would pay hour II $25M each year . In addition, there are escalators in the entire deal that can give the kid extra $$$ should he get specific MVP voting stats ( have not seen exactly the language)
The cool thing for chourio is that he can hit free agency after 2032 when he is barely 30 years old.
Knowing Brewers at age 29 they can trade him in big deal with s year left . For they know they won’t be able to afford to pay him .
They work the system well.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing! I would say it seems like a potential new gold standard type of contract for other teams to follow, but is still so ballsy on the team’s part because so many prospects don’t live up to the hype. A team would really have to know what they have in the player. A challenge that has eluded the Cardinals for several years now.

[renostl]

Cheap (donkey) ownership. They pack the house and get playoff revenue every year. They obviously draft and develop well but it’s never good enough to close the deal. No reason they can’t at least extend the occasional veteran who’s performed well for them during a good window of opportunity to contend.

Not saying it should be FP, because he always has health issues…but they don’t keep anyone, regardless of performance and health.

The BDW money-saver club wants our team to be just like them too. Which is basically the Mozeliak model, just executed better. They prove, year after year, you need more than just a good young talent base for a championship team. I’m glad they got bounced even if it was by the Dodgers.

Actually , the Brewers have extended not ONE but TWO top notch players .. . Maybe you forgot but back in 2020, the Brewers gave a NINE year extention to OF to Christian Yelich worth $215 M .. Then they most recently signed rookie Jackson Chourio (who was entering his rookie year ) to a EIGHT year $82 M deal and he had not played a game yet for the Brewers. The 8 year deal runs thru 2031 but also has a 2 year team option that could make him a Brewer for 10 years thru 2033. One of the boldest long term deals in MLB history to a kid that had yet to play a game. He has already post back to back 20 hR seasons with 20+ steals as well. Chourio is just 21 years old and next March 11th ( prior to his 3rd MLB year will only b

You’re right, I forgot about Yelich. Extremely rare case for them. Choirio was definitely a bold move.

I wonder how it would be received if the Cards did the same with Wetherholt? I’d bet that at least 2-3 out of 5 of those type of deals turn out bad for the team as so many top prospects wash out. Thankfully we didn’t do that with Dylan Carlson or Jordan Walker.

Either way, I’m not too proud to admit you got me on a couple recent and good examples so I’ll concede that maybe they are changing their cheap ways to some degree.

I'm not sure Matt Arnold would have sign Yelich, Murphy did that one.
Chourio is still very inexpensive. It will be close as to where arbitration raises would have got
him, maybe cheaper. Top 5 CF production would cost a bit.

I have to credit them for that deal. If Chourio had busted out, the GM would’ve looked like an idiot and committed a fireable offense. Instead he got a stud player for cheap with the promise of security that a minor leaguer who’s never played a big league game just couldn’t resist.

I wonder what the player’s union thinks about that deal? If he continues to develop and get even better, he would’ve made quadruple the $$ in free agency. He might’ve even exceeded the value of the deal after three years of arbitration anyway.

They did well.
Premium position where even an average bat emerging and they're in a good place.
Card could do similar with JJ, would he be open to it?

They did have control of him for a bit and both sides know the drill lifetime security of $82 million
for a couple years at a discount. $25 million last couple is pretty solid we'll see where he is then
both with his production and location.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Cheap (donkey) ownership. They pack the house and get playoff revenue every year. They obviously draft and develop well but it’s never good enough to close the deal. No reason they can’t at least extend the occasional veteran who’s performed well for them during a good window of opportunity to contend.

Not saying it should be FP, because he always has health issues…but they don’t keep anyone, regardless of performance and health.

The BDW money-saver club wants our team to be just like them too. Which is basically the Mozeliak model, just executed better. They prove, year after year, you need more than just a good young talent base for a championship team. I’m glad they got bounced even if it was by the Dodgers.

Actually , the Brewers have extended not ONE but TWO top notch players .. . Maybe you forgot but back in 2020, the Brewers gave a NINE year extention to OF to Christian Yelich worth $215 M .. Then they most recently signed rookie Jackson Chourio (who was entering his rookie year ) to a EIGHT year $82 M deal and he had not played a game yet for the Brewers. The 8 year deal runs thru 2031 but also has a 2 year team option that could make him a Brewer for 10 years thru 2033. One of the boldest long term deals in MLB history to a kid that had yet to play a game. He has already post back to back 20 hR seasons with 20+ steals as well. Chourio is just 21 years old and next March 11th ( prior to his 3rd MLB year will only b

You’re right, I forgot about Yelich. Extremely rare case for them. Choirio was definitely a bold move.

I wonder how it would be received if the Cards did the same with Wetherholt? I’d bet that at least 2-3 out of 5 of those type of deals turn out bad for the team as so many top prospects wash out. Thankfully we didn’t do that with Dylan Carlson or Jordan Walker.

Either way, I’m not too proud to admit you got me on a couple recent and good examples so I’ll concede that maybe they are changing their cheap ways to some degree.

I'm not sure Matt Arnold would have sign Yelich, Murphy did that one.
Chourio is still very inexpensive. It will be close as to where arbitration raises would have got
him, maybe cheaper. Top 5 CF production would cost a bit.

I have to credit them for that deal. If Chourio had busted out, the GM would’ve looked like an idiot and committed a fireable offense. Instead he got a stud player for cheap with the promise of security that a minor leaguer who’s never played a big league game just couldn’t resist.

I wonder what the player’s union thinks about that deal? If he continues to develop and get even better, he would’ve made quadruple the $$ in free agency. He might’ve even exceeded the value of the deal after three years of arbitration anyway.

They did well.
Premium position where even an average bat emerging and they're in a good place.
Card could do similar with JJ, would he be open to it?

They did have control of him for a bit and both sides know the drill lifetime security of $82 million
for a couple years at a discount. $25 million last couple is pretty solid we'll see where he is then
both with his production and location.

I want to say YES on a deal like that for JJW, but health is such a concern for such a long term commitment. Glad I just get to be a fan instead of a GM!

[ramfandan]

Another wildcard we haven’t even discussed is impact of injuries to his production. While not a pitcher facing TJ possibility, chouriotdufferrf hamstring thi year plus in playoffs cramps to same area . If his wheels have long term issues that could affect his production. Brewers still on hook paying him.
Look at Yelich., past few years had had major back issues including surgeries. Not the same player.

[Just Whit]

Cheap (donkey) ownership. They pack the house and get playoff revenue every year. They obviously draft and develop well but it’s never good enough to close the deal. No reason they can’t at least extend the occasional veteran who’s performed well for them during a good window of opportunity to contend.

Not saying it should be FP, because he always has health issues…but they don’t keep anyone, regardless of performance and health.

The BDW money-saver club wants our team to be just like them too. Which is basically the Mozeliak model, just executed better. They prove, year after year, you need more than just a good young talent base for a championship team. I’m glad they got bounced even if it was by the Dodgers.

Actually , the Brewers have extended not ONE but TWO top notch players .. . Maybe you forgot but back in 2020, the Brewers gave a NINE year extention to OF to Christian Yelich worth $215 M .. Then they most recently signed rookie Jackson Chourio (who was entering his rookie year ) to a EIGHT year $82 M deal and he had not played a game yet for the Brewers. The 8 year deal runs thru 2031 but also has a 2 year team option that could make him a Brewer for 10 years thru 2033. One of the boldest long term deals in MLB history to a kid that had yet to play a game. He has already post back to back 20 hR seasons with 20+ steals as well. Chourio is just 21 years old and next March 11th ( prior to his 3rd MLB year will only b

You’re right, I forgot about Yelich. Extremely rare case for them. Choirio was definitely a bold move.

I wonder how it would be received if the Cards did the same with Wetherholt? I’d bet that at least 2-3 out of 5 of those type of deals turn out bad for the team as so many top prospects wash out. Thankfully we didn’t do that with Dylan Carlson or Jordan Walker.

Either way, I’m not too proud to admit you got me on a couple recent and good examples so I’ll concede that maybe they are changing their cheap ways to some degree.

I'm not sure Matt Arnold would have sign Yelich, Murphy did that one.
Chourio is still very inexpensive. It will be close as to where arbitration raises would have got
him, maybe cheaper. Top 5 CF production would cost a bit.

I have to credit them for that deal. If Chourio had busted out, the GM would’ve looked like an idiot and committed a fireable offense. Instead he got a stud player for cheap with the promise of security that a minor leaguer who’s never played a big league game just couldn’t resist.

I wonder what the player’s union thinks about that deal? If he continues to develop and get even better, he would’ve made quadruple the $$ in free agency. He might’ve even exceeded the value of the deal after three years of arbitration anyway.

They did well.
Premium position where even an average bat emerging and they're in a good place.
Card could do similar with JJ, would he be open to it?

They did have control of him for a bit and both sides know the drill lifetime security of $82 million
for a couple years at a discount. $25 million last couple is pretty solid we'll see where he is then
both with his production and location.

Poor Freddy's two team options are only $8 mill. He got taken, these poor country athletes are desperate to get guaranteed money.

[Ozziesfan41]

Cheap (donkey) ownership. They pack the house and get playoff revenue every year. They obviously draft and develop well but it’s never good enough to close the deal. No reason they can’t at least extend the occasional veteran who’s performed well for them during a good window of opportunity to contend.

Not saying it should be FP, because he always has health issues…but they don’t keep anyone, regardless of performance and health.

The BDW money-saver club wants our team to be just like them too. Which is basically the Mozeliak model, just executed better. They prove, year after year, you need more than just a good young talent base for a championship team. I’m glad they got bounced even if it was by the Dodgers.

Actually , the Brewers have extended not ONE but TWO top notch players .. . Maybe you forgot but back in 2020, the Brewers gave a NINE year extention to OF to Christian Yelich worth $215 M .. Then they most recently signed rookie Jackson Chourio (who was entering his rookie year ) to a EIGHT year $82 M deal and he had not played a game yet for the Brewers. The 8 year deal runs thru 2031 but also has a 2 year team option that could make him a Brewer for 10 years thru 2033. One of the boldest long term deals in MLB history to a kid that had yet to play a game. He has already post back to back 20 hR seasons with 20+ steals as well. Chourio is just 21 years old and next March 11th ( prior to his 3rd MLB year will only b

You’re right, I forgot about Yelich. Extremely rare case for them. Choirio was definitely a bold move.

I wonder how it would be received if the Cards did the same with Wetherholt? I’d bet that at least 2-3 out of 5 of those type of deals turn out bad for the team as so many top prospects wash out. Thankfully we didn’t do that with Dylan Carlson or Jordan Walker.

Either way, I’m not too proud to admit you got me on a couple recent and good examples so I’ll concede that maybe they are changing their cheap ways to some degree.

I'm not sure Matt Arnold would have sign Yelich, Murphy did that one.
Chourio is still very inexpensive. It will be close as to where arbitration raises would have got
him, maybe cheaper. Top 5 CF production would cost a bit.

I have to credit them for that deal. If Chourio had busted out, the GM would’ve looked like an idiot and committed a fireable offense. Instead he got a stud player for cheap with the promise of security that a minor leaguer who’s never played a big league game just couldn’t resist.

I wonder what the player’s union thinks about that deal? If he continues to develop and get even better, he would’ve made quadruple the $$ in free agency. He might’ve even exceeded the value of the deal after three years of arbitration anyway.

They did well.
Premium position where even an average bat emerging and they're in a good place.
Card could do similar with JJ, would he be open to it?

They did have control of him for a bit and both sides know the drill lifetime security of $82 million
for a couple years at a discount. $25 million last couple is pretty solid we'll see where he is then
both with his production and location.

Both sides did well.