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OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:18 am We may be watching the greatest ball player of all times.

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:29 am I believe Bob Gibson if he had been given the opportunity to play as a two way player he could have been close to Ohtani. Gibson was also a better defensive player who could have played SS or centerfield where Ohtani doesn’t play the field.

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 11:56 am

icon wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 09:03 am

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:29 am I believe Bob Gibson if he had been given the opportunity to play as a two way player he could have been close to Ohtani. Gibson was also a better defensive player who could have played SS or centerfield where Ohtani doesn’t play the field.

Comparing Gibson to Ohtani at the plate? You're funny.

Gibson was the better athlete, better pitcher and better defender. If allowed to focus on hitting and with modern training who knows. Gibson was used frequently as a ph in 1970 with 109 at bats and hit .303. He may not have had the power of Ohtani but to laugh it off is naive.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:17 am

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:10 am

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:18 am We may be watching the greatest ball player of all times.

Correction: You may be watching the greatest baseball player of all time.

I won’t watch the Dodgers. Or Yankees. They have been allowed to ruin the game. Eff ‘em.

well, you are missing out!

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 13:02 pm

dugoutrex wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:17 am

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:10 am

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:18 am We may be watching the greatest ball player of all times.

Correction: You may be watching the greatest baseball player of all time.

I won’t watch the Dodgers. Or Yankees. They have been allowed to ruin the game. Eff ‘em.

well, you are missing out!

If I thought I was missing out, I’d turn on the TV.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 12:15 pm

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 11:56 am

icon wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 09:03 am

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:29 am I believe Bob Gibson if he had been given the opportunity to play as a two way player he could have been close to Ohtani. Gibson was also a better defensive player who could have played SS or centerfield where Ohtani doesn’t play the field.

Comparing Gibson to Ohtani at the plate? You're funny.

Gibson was the better athlete, better pitcher and better defender. If allowed to focus on hitting and with modern training who knows. Gibson was used frequently as a ph in 1970 with 109 at bats and hit .303. He may not have had the power of Ohtani but to laugh it off is naive.

oh, we are laughing at you!

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 16:37 pm

dugoutrex wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 12:15 pm

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 11:56 am

icon wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 09:03 am

kyace wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:29 am I believe Bob Gibson if he had been given the opportunity to play as a two way player he could have been close to Ohtani. Gibson was also a better defensive player who could have played SS or centerfield where Ohtani doesn’t play the field.

Comparing Gibson to Ohtani at the plate? You're funny.

Gibson was the better athlete, better pitcher and better defender. If allowed to focus on hitting and with modern training who knows. Gibson was used frequently as a ph in 1970 with 109 at bats and hit .303. He may not have had the power of Ohtani but to laugh it off is naive.

oh, we are laughing at you!

Laugh all you want but the facts are Gibby hit over .300 one year with over 100 at bats while not playing everyday as a hitter while only focusing on pitching. That there shows he had the hitting ability. If they had the DH back then he may have been given the opportunity that Ohtani has been given and no one can say he could not have come close to Ohtani. Like I said he didn’t have the power of Ohtani but showed that he had the hitting ability given the opportunity and the speed to steal bases. Gibson was a great athlete and had the ability and determination to be great at whatever he put his mind to.
I’m not denigrating Ohtani, I love watching him play and respect what he has done but times are different now then prior and there have been players in the past that may have approached what he has done under different circumstances. He’s an outlier but not that much of one to be far and above all others before.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:02 am

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 09:23 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 08:55 am

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:18 am We may be watching the greatest ball player of all times.

Babe Ruth and it's not even close.

Better pitcher and way, way better hitter.

Did you see Ruth play? And yes, he may have been the best in his era, this is something never seen before.

Ruth
.342 .474 .690 1.164
206 OPS+
Hitter G.O.A.T

Ohtani
.282 .374 .582 .957
160 OPS+



Ruth
163 G/147 GS
2.28 ERA
1.16 WHiP

Ohtani
100 G/100 GS
3.00 ERA
1.08 WHiP

And enough of this "era" c r a p.

Baseball is Baseball, it's the one sport where stats from one era can be compared to stats from another.

And if allowed to do so his entire career, Ruth could've easily continued to pitch & hit.

But because of his greatness as a hitter Managers chose to take him off the mound.

No comparison, Babe Ruth is the G.O.A.T. and it's been "seen before", Ohtani is not even close to Ruth.

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:45 am Wonder how Ohtani will do in WS.
Thus far in playoffs, he has struggled hitting just .220
He has just 9 hits in 10 games.

That was a. All-time game last night but the other 9 games have not been much at all. One game in series gave him MVP honors.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 13:16 pm

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 13:02 pm

dugoutrex wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:17 am

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:10 am

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 07:18 am We may be watching the greatest ball player of all times.

Correction: You may be watching the greatest baseball player of all time.

I won’t watch the Dodgers. Or Yankees. They have been allowed to ruin the game. Eff ‘em.

well, you are missing out!

If I thought I was missing out, I’d turn on the TV.

well, you missed out on baseball history last night while true baseball fans rebelled in the moment!