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Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:09 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 07:59 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 06:54 am

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 18:13 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 15:12 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 14:26 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:35 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 11:43 am Great game 5 between Seattle and Detroit.
Who missed the extra inning automatic runner rule?

That idiotic rule needs to be gone, hope they nix in during the new CBA discussions.

I bet the players love it. Saves some ugly bull[shirt] in an already overly long regular season.

Owners love it even more, I suspect.
Protects pitchers - which is a huge cost center.
Reduces / controls stadium operating costs.
Stupid rule which creates an inferior product.
Players and owners don't care about the product - just themselves.

I don't see the product suffering by implementing it for the regular season.

The elimination of the rule for the playoffs is nothing less than an admission by MLB that the rule creates an inferior regular season product.

No one cares about a long regular season game and no one sticks around for them. Ratings are horrible for extra innings. The rule was and has been a good thing for the regular season.

How many games does this actually affect? Should this go into effect for rain games when most of the crowd leaves but they keep playing??

Cards had 12 Extra inning games, 6 at home. So out of 81 home games the fans had a CHOICE to stick around for 6. I always enjoy seeing more baseball……

9% of games go to extras.

Most people don’t stick around.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:10 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 07:59 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 06:54 am

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 18:13 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 15:12 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 14:26 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:35 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 11:43 am Great game 5 between Seattle and Detroit.
Who missed the extra inning automatic runner rule?

That idiotic rule needs to be gone, hope they nix in during the new CBA discussions.

I bet the players love it. Saves some ugly bull[shirt] in an already overly long regular season.

Owners love it even more, I suspect.
Protects pitchers - which is a huge cost center.
Reduces / controls stadium operating costs.
Stupid rule which creates an inferior product.
Players and owners don't care about the product - just themselves.

I don't see the product suffering by implementing it for the regular season.

The elimination of the rule for the playoffs is nothing less than an admission by MLB that the rule creates an inferior regular season product.

No one cares about a long regular season game and no one sticks around for them. Ratings are horrible for extra innings. The rule was and has been a good thing for the regular season.

How many games does this actually affect? Should this go into effect for rain games when most of the crowd leaves but they keep playing??

Rain games can end early without even playing the full 9 innings.

Your issue is the fans don’t want to stick around…..who cares? Finish the game as it should be played.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:16 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:09 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 07:59 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 06:54 am

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 18:13 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 15:12 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 14:26 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:35 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 11:43 am Great game 5 between Seattle and Detroit.
Who missed the extra inning automatic runner rule?

That idiotic rule needs to be gone, hope they nix in during the new CBA discussions.

I bet the players love it. Saves some ugly bull[shirt] in an already overly long regular season.

Owners love it even more, I suspect.
Protects pitchers - which is a huge cost center.
Reduces / controls stadium operating costs.
Stupid rule which creates an inferior product.
Players and owners don't care about the product - just themselves.

I don't see the product suffering by implementing it for the regular season.

The elimination of the rule for the playoffs is nothing less than an admission by MLB that the rule creates an inferior regular season product.

No one cares about a long regular season game and no one sticks around for them. Ratings are horrible for extra innings. The rule was and has been a good thing for the regular season.

How many games does this actually affect? Should this go into effect for rain games when most of the crowd leaves but they keep playing??

Cards had 12 Extra inning games, 6 at home. So out of 81 home games the fans had a CHOICE to stick around for 6. I always enjoy seeing more baseball……

9% of games go to extras.

Most people don’t stick around.

Many people leave early anyway. Beat the traffic. I think the entertainment is laid out there, and the buyer chooses his fill. He makes the decision.

Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime). In those two sports, overtime frames are short and usually higher-drama.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:50 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

Correction: I should have said < 0.3% of NBA games reach double overtime.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:50 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

It is because baseball has no clock. This simple fact makes baseball fundamentally different in so many ways.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:53 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:50 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

Correction: I should have said < 0.3% of NBA games reach double overtime.

If it has something to do with the action frenzy, then adding a runner at second would be an attempt to add action. Thus an attempt to provide late inning interest.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:55 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:53 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:50 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

Correction: I should have said < 0.3% of NBA games reach double overtime.

If it has something to do with the action frenzy, then adding a runner at second would be an attempt to add action. Thus an attempt to provide late inning interest.

I think the primary purpose of the “ghost runner” is simply to catalyze a quicker resolution to the contest. The regular season is a grind—162 games, most of them at night, travel schedules, logistics, etc. “Keep the trains moving.”

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 09:03 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:55 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:53 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:50 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

Correction: I should have said < 0.3% of NBA games reach double overtime.

If it has something to do with the action frenzy, then adding a runner at second would be an attempt to add action. Thus an attempt to provide late inning interest.

I think the primary purpose of the “ghost runner” is simply to catalyze a quicker resolution to the contest. The regular season is a grind—162 games, most of them at night, travel schedules, logistics, etc. “Keep the trains moving.”

Yea you’re probably right. But when the objective becomes an ending to a contest, doesn’t that defeat the initial intimacy of the game.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 09:07 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 09:03 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:55 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:53 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:50 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

Correction: I should have said < 0.3% of NBA games reach double overtime.

If it has something to do with the action frenzy, then adding a runner at second would be an attempt to add action. Thus an attempt to provide late inning interest.

I think the primary purpose of the “ghost runner” is simply to catalyze a quicker resolution to the contest. The regular season is a grind—162 games, most of them at night, travel schedules, logistics, etc. “Keep the trains moving.”

Yea you’re probably right. But when the objective becomes an ending to a contest, doesn’t that defeat the initial intimacy of the game.

I’m guessing there isn’t a big market for 5+ hour regular season games. Also, the players unions have no interest in that, either. As such, there has to be a mechanism for resolving the contest—or, you can just allow ties. But it seems like the US market dislikes the concept of ties, at least judging by the fan and media caterwauling every time there’s a tie game in the NFL.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 09:03 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:55 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:53 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:50 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:48 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:28 am

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 08:23 am Of the four major professional sports, three have different overtime rules in the regular season than in the postseason—all designed to shorten regular season games. Only the NBA has the same overtime rules for regular- and postseason, and that is most likely because the overtime periods are relatively short (5 minutes) and multiple overtimes are rare.

But unlike baseball, the basketball crowd doesn’t seem to diminish at the same rate/ ratio as a ML baseball game.

Seems in basketball and hockey, the fan craves overtime.

I’m not aware of any data on rates of crowd attrition, etc., so I can’t speak to that. But craving a relatively short, definitive overtime period is not the same as craving 4 or 5 extra innings. The overtime rules in the NHL are designed to provide a short period of enhanced action (5 minutes, 3:3, sudden-death, followed by a shootout), and the NBA overtime periods are similarly short (5 minutes), with multiple overtimes being exceedingly rare (5-7% of NBA regular season games go to overtime, with only 0.3% reaching double overtime).

No disagreement. Maybe it’s the action factor. Seems NFL college football hockey basketball all crave extra time.

Not baseball. A pass time.

Correction: I should have said < 0.3% of NBA games reach double overtime.

If it has something to do with the action frenzy, then adding a runner at second would be an attempt to add action. Thus an attempt to provide late inning interest.

I think the primary purpose of the “ghost runner” is simply to catalyze a quicker resolution to the contest. The regular season is a grind—162 games, most of them at night, travel schedules, logistics, etc. “Keep the trains moving.”

The baseball game is strict and regimented through 9innings….we sit there sometimes for several minutes multiple times a game, waiting for a replay call because going with the human eye as its been since inception is no longer good enough…..but playing a couple extra innings, 12x a Year in the Cards case,is just too much
So much that the fundamental core of how the game is played is changed. This change would NEVER be instituted during the regulation 9 innings but after those 9…….caring about the outcome in the standing goes WAY down the rung on importance…..Stupid

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 18:13 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 15:12 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 14:26 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:47 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:35 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 11:43 am Great game 5 between Seattle and Detroit.
Who missed the extra inning automatic runner rule?

That idiotic rule needs to be gone, hope they nix in during the new CBA discussions.

I bet the players love it. Saves some ugly bull[shirt] in an already overly long regular season.

Owners love it even more, I suspect.
Protects pitchers - which is a huge cost center.
Reduces / controls stadium operating costs.
Stupid rule which creates an inferior product.
Players and owners don't care about the product - just themselves.

I don't see the product suffering by implementing it for the regular season.

The elimination of the rule for the playoffs is nothing less than an admission by MLB that the rule creates an inferior regular season product.

Nonit doesn't

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 18:14 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 12:46 pm

Melville wrote: ↑11 Oct 2025 11:43 am Great game 5 between Seattle and Detroit.
Who missed the extra inning automatic runner rule?

regular season, I'm OK with it...maybe make it after the 10th inning

Post season, just fine without it.

Everything should he earned “old-style” in the playoffs. Agree it is at least tolerable after the 10th in regular season too, but could do without it at all.

Baseball isn't played like it was originally started as...
So it doesn't resemble anything like "old style."