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Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:01 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

To go from last in HR and slug they will all 3 either have to double their HR or they need to add from the outside. The just don’t think Walker and Gorman will ever be 30/80 guys. The lack of power pitching and power hitting is very big if they want to contend in the playoffs. 3 hits to score is hard this time of year. To me adding power in bats and arms is the biggest need of the organization

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:01 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

To go from last in HR and slug they will all 3 either have to double their HR or they need to add from the outside. The just don’t think Walker and Gorman will ever be 30/80 guys. The lack of power pitching and power hitting is very big if they want to contend in the playoffs. 3 hits to score is hard this time of year. To me adding power in bats and arms is the biggest need of the organization

The power arms have been added to the organization. They need several power bats if Walker and Gorman don’t mature quickly.

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:14 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:01 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

To go from last in HR and slug they will all 3 either have to double their HR or they need to add from the outside. The just don’t think Walker and Gorman will ever be 30/80 guys. The lack of power pitching and power hitting is very big if they want to contend in the playoffs. 3 hits to score is hard this time of year. To me adding power in bats and arms is the biggest need of the organization

The power arms have been added to the organization. They need several power bats if Walker and Gorman don’t mature quickly.

1 draft of a couple hard throwers is not enough. The pitches close to the majors are not power arms. Most are pitch to contact and Doyle is the only one that projects as a top 2 SP

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:26 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:14 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:01 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

To go from last in HR and slug they will all 3 either have to double their HR or they need to add from the outside. The just don’t think Walker and Gorman will ever be 30/80 guys. The lack of power pitching and power hitting is very big if they want to contend in the playoffs. 3 hits to score is hard this time of year. To me adding power in bats and arms is the biggest need of the organization

The power arms have been added to the organization. They need several power bats if Walker and Gorman don’t mature quickly.

1 draft of a couple hard throwers is not enough. The pitches close to the majors are not power arms. Most are pitch to contact and Doyle is the only one that projects as a top 2 SP

What about Mathews and all the pitchers they picked up at the 2024 trade deadline. Is a guy like Roby a hard thrower?

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:47 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:18 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:30 pm Burleson, Donovan and Wetherholt. 50/50 chance on all three, maybe. 60/40 on two. And 70/30 on at least one.

Isn't it amazing that there was only one hitter in the entire National League that hit .300 or better this season? One.
And in the top ten batting averages in the league, Burleson was ranked 6th and Donovan 9th. So adding JJ to the mix, having 3 in the top 10 some day may be a distinct possibility. I would count out Herrera either.

Burleson will likely be back in the top ten in BA in '26. However, he needs to hit for more power to be an All Star.

considering his positional limitations he would have to be a 30 hr guy to be an all star. Or be hitting .320 plus at the all star break. The 30 HR is not within his capability, but i do think he could hit 300-320 for half a season possibly.

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:32 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:26 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:14 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:01 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

To go from last in HR and slug they will all 3 either have to double their HR or they need to add from the outside. The just don’t think Walker and Gorman will ever be 30/80 guys. The lack of power pitching and power hitting is very big if they want to contend in the playoffs. 3 hits to score is hard this time of year. To me adding power in bats and arms is the biggest need of the organization

The power arms have been added to the organization. They need several power bats if Walker and Gorman don’t mature quickly.

1 draft of a couple hard throwers is not enough. The pitches close to the majors are not power arms. Most are pitch to contact and Doyle is the only one that projects as a top 2 SP

What about Mathews and all the pitchers they picked up at the 2024 trade deadline. Is a guy like Roby a hard thrower?

Until Roby can prove he can stay healthy for more than a month at a time he's a non factor whether he can throw hard or not. I wouldn't consider Mathews a hard thrower necessarily. He's low to mid 90s and more of a pitch maker.

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 06:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:47 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:18 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:30 pm Burleson, Donovan and Wetherholt. 50/50 chance on all three, maybe. 60/40 on two. And 70/30 on at least one.

Isn't it amazing that there was only one hitter in the entire National League that hit .300 or better this season? One.
And in the top ten batting averages in the league, Burleson was ranked 6th and Donovan 9th. So adding JJ to the mix, having 3 in the top 10 some day may be a distinct possibility. I would count out Herrera either.

Burleson will likely be back in the top ten in BA in '26. However, he needs to hit for more power to be an All Star.

considering his positional limitations he would have to be a 30 hr guy to be an all star. Or be hitting .320 plus at the all star break. The 30 HR is not within his capability, but i do think he could hit 300-320 for half a season possibly.

With his speed and power he is not a top three in the order hitter. Put him at 6, maybe five, and let him get all the crumbs the big bats leave on base. One thing he could do is have a high amount of rbis if the top three get on often.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 06:52 am

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 06:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:47 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:18 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:30 pm Burleson, Donovan and Wetherholt. 50/50 chance on all three, maybe. 60/40 on two. And 70/30 on at least one.

Isn't it amazing that there was only one hitter in the entire National League that hit .300 or better this season? One.
And in the top ten batting averages in the league, Burleson was ranked 6th and Donovan 9th. So adding JJ to the mix, having 3 in the top 10 some day may be a distinct possibility. I would count out Herrera either.

Burleson will likely be back in the top ten in BA in '26. However, he needs to hit for more power to be an All Star.

considering his positional limitations he would have to be a 30 hr guy to be an all star. Or be hitting .320 plus at the all star break. The 30 HR is not within his capability, but i do think he could hit 300-320 for half a season possibly.

With his speed and power he is not a top three in the order hitter. Put him at 6, maybe five, and let him get all the crumbs the big bats leave on base. One thing he could do is have a high amount of rbis if the top three get on often.

I would agree, on a good team he is a really nice 6 hitter. Maybe a 5 if he could improve on his power

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 06:59 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 06:52 am

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 06:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:47 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:18 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:30 pm Burleson, Donovan and Wetherholt. 50/50 chance on all three, maybe. 60/40 on two. And 70/30 on at least one.

Isn't it amazing that there was only one hitter in the entire National League that hit .300 or better this season? One.
And in the top ten batting averages in the league, Burleson was ranked 6th and Donovan 9th. So adding JJ to the mix, having 3 in the top 10 some day may be a distinct possibility. I would count out Herrera either.

Burleson will likely be back in the top ten in BA in '26. However, he needs to hit for more power to be an All Star.

considering his positional limitations he would have to be a 30 hr guy to be an all star. Or be hitting .320 plus at the all star break. The 30 HR is not within his capability, but i do think he could hit 300-320 for half a season possibly.

With his speed and power he is not a top three in the order hitter. Put him at 6, maybe five, and let him get all the crumbs the big bats leave on base. One thing he could do is have a high amount of rbis if the top three get on often.

I would agree, on a good team he is a really nice 6 hitter. Maybe a 5 if he could improve on his power

I think you’re exactly right. Good write.

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:32 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:26 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:14 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:01 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

To go from last in HR and slug they will all 3 either have to double their HR or they need to add from the outside. The just don’t think Walker and Gorman will ever be 30/80 guys. The lack of power pitching and power hitting is very big if they want to contend in the playoffs. 3 hits to score is hard this time of year. To me adding power in bats and arms is the biggest need of the organization

The power arms have been added to the organization. They need several power bats if Walker and Gorman don’t mature quickly.

1 draft of a couple hard throwers is not enough. The pitches close to the majors are not power arms. Most are pitch to contact and Doyle is the only one that projects as a top 2 SP

What about Mathews and all the pitchers they picked up at the 2024 trade deadline. Is a guy like Roby a hard thrower?

Matthews is hurt a lot and struggled at AAA. Roby was also hurt but projects as a low end starter. I am talking about 3 TOR SP. that’s what’s needed in the playoffs

2ninr wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:40 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:39 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:36 pm 50/50 chance Wetherholt is the only one who is a Cardinal next year. And I doubt he's in the top 10.

So you must feel Burleson and Donovan will drop out of the top ten. Like they in this season.

No. They aren't Cardinals anymore as in traded.

Can they take Shady with them?

Call me when they have even ONE player in the Top 30 of the NL in home runs.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 08:28 am

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:32 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:26 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 22:14 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:20 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 21:01 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 20:35 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 19:40 pm Burleson, Contreras, and Herrera should have 20 or more home runs next season. Now if they could get Walker and Gorman going we’d have something.

Yes if the most anyone has is 20 then you need that from 5-6 players with 75 plus RBI. So let’s say those 5 can all hit 20 where are they playing because it will take a full season of ABs. You want

C Hererra {ruins the def up the middle)
1B Contreras
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Donovan
LF Burleson
C Scott
RF Walker
DH Gorman

And in your dream world using the same roster as last season that was last on HR and Slug they become better? It’s not happening. To win they must add some legit power somewhere or all have average power which I don’t beleive is possible

Need more production out of Walker, Scott, and Gorman.

To go from last in HR and slug they will all 3 either have to double their HR or they need to add from the outside. The just don’t think Walker and Gorman will ever be 30/80 guys. The lack of power pitching and power hitting is very big if they want to contend in the playoffs. 3 hits to score is hard this time of year. To me adding power in bats and arms is the biggest need of the organization

The power arms have been added to the organization. They need several power bats if Walker and Gorman don’t mature quickly.

1 draft of a couple hard throwers is not enough. The pitches close to the majors are not power arms. Most are pitch to contact and Doyle is the only one that projects as a top 2 SP

What about Mathews and all the pitchers they picked up at the 2024 trade deadline. Is a guy like Roby a hard thrower?

Matthews is hurt a lot and struggled at AAA. Roby was also hurt but projects as a low end starter. I am talking about 3 TOR SP. that’s what’s needed in the playoffs

Many posters thought Roby was a TOR type starter when he came here in a trade. Let’s not talk about his injuries. Let’s talk about his ceiling.

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 06:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:47 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 18:18 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Oct 2025 17:30 pm Burleson, Donovan and Wetherholt. 50/50 chance on all three, maybe. 60/40 on two. And 70/30 on at least one.

Isn't it amazing that there was only one hitter in the entire National League that hit .300 or better this season? One.
And in the top ten batting averages in the league, Burleson was ranked 6th and Donovan 9th. So adding JJ to the mix, having 3 in the top 10 some day may be a distinct possibility. I would count out Herrera either.

Burleson will likely be back in the top ten in BA in '26. However, he needs to hit for more power to be an All Star.

considering his positional limitations he would have to be a 30 hr guy to be an all star. Or be hitting .320 plus at the all star break. The 30 HR is not within his capability, but i do think he could hit 300-320 for half a season possibly.

"The 30 HR is not within his capability". Not sure if you meant 30 HRs by the All Star break. Which would be pretty tough for anybody. But Burleson is capable of having a 30 HR season. However, he may have to increase his strikeout rate to accomplish that.

no way Burleson ever hits 30 HR, he's headed into a "made up Prime", and he's regressing in counting stats. 18 HR over a full season, 3 short of last year. Decline in runs scored and RBI... I don't believe counting stats are a true barometer of a player, but the OP started millions of threads based off Burleson's 2024 counting stats. So, if we follow the same parameters, then Burleson is declining and fading...as he heads into his "made up Prime". A Sliver of a Slugger. How on earth can the Sliver of a Slugger make up 12 HR over the season, especially if he's in a Decline heading into his "made up Prime"???