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Banner29 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 am

45s wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:06 am

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:12 am

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

I despise Hitler. I don’t despise anyone in the game of baseball. Baseball is just recreation.

I wonder how many of those who "despise" Moz even know the man...???

I don’t know Jared from subway.

But I mean…….do I really need to?

Ace07 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:39 am I have a FB memory back from 2011 bashing Mozeliak, I've been one of his biggest critics.

He took over a great team, and consistently tried to "bandaid" the team with the payroll he received year in and year out. His free agent signings as a whole were absolutely awful - Dexter Fowler, Mike Leake, Steven Matz, Miles Mikolas, Greg Holland, Luke Gregerson, Brett Cecil, etc.
Trading away the wrong assets has also been highly documented - Alcantara, Gallen, Garcia, Arozarena, etc.

Was it all negative? No. But the negatives FAR outweighed the positives, and we have seen the Cardinal "product" become more and more water downed throughout the years. But the most frustrating thing is ownership kept re-signing him, and there was never any accountability. We would win a weak division, squeak into the playoffs and the ownership was happy enough financially and willing to alienate their fan base for profits.

There's a lot of issues that have surfaced.

The Cardinals "philosophy" of building from within was no longer working. Both their drafting and player development has been trending downward. Mozeliak was just making moves based on the culture/philosophy, but he did a demonstrably poor job. The BFIB kept showing support to mediocre teams for too long and were essentially enablers.

I haven't watched much in the last couple years, but this is the first time I stopped even looking at box scores in 20+ years. It's going to take some time to build up this franchise again, and I'm not sure I trust ownership to do what is necessary. Time will well.

riff raff wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:27 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 am

45s wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:06 am

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:12 am

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

I despise Hitler. I don’t despise anyone in the game of baseball. Baseball is just recreation.

I wonder how many of those who "despise" Moz even know the man...???

I don’t know Jared from subway.

But I mean…….do I really need to?

I don't know you, but you seem like a dic
Now try to say something semi-intelligent. I'll bet you can't.

icon wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:33 pm

riff raff wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:27 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 am

45s wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:06 am

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:12 am

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

I despise Hitler. I don’t despise anyone in the game of baseball. Baseball is just recreation.

I wonder how many of those who "despise" Moz even know the man...???

I don’t know Jared from subway.

But I mean…….do I really need to?

I don't know you, but you seem like a dic
Now try to say something semi-intelligent. I'll bet you can't.

That's rich coming from a sycophant who can never objectively analyze anything.

icon wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:33 pm

riff raff wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:27 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 am

45s wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:06 am

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:12 am

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

I despise Hitler. I don’t despise anyone in the game of baseball. Baseball is just recreation.

I wonder how many of those who "despise" Moz even know the man...???

I don’t know Jared from subway.

But I mean…….do I really need to?

I don't know you, but you seem like a dic
Now try to say something semi-intelligent. I'll bet you can't.

That's rich coming from a sycophant who can never objectively analyze anything.

mjg wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:24 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 am

45s wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:06 am

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:12 am

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

I despise Hitler. I don’t despise anyone in the game of baseball. Baseball is just recreation.

I wonder how many of those who "despise" Moz even know the man...???

I don’t know Jared from subway.

But I mean…….do I really need to?

Let's see, President of Baseball Operations and a pedophile...seems like a totally reasonable and rational comparison. This thread is more juvenile than it is nonsensical. And that's saying a lot.

riff raff wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:27 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 am

45s wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:06 am

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:12 am

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

I despise Hitler. I don’t despise anyone in the game of baseball. Baseball is just recreation.

I wonder how many of those who "despise" Moz even know the man...???

I don’t know Jared from subway.

But I mean…….do I really need to?

I don't know you, but you seem like a dic
Now try to say something semi-intelligent. I'll bet you can't.

mjg wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:24 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:25 am

45s wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 10:06 am

Cranny wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:12 am

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

I despise Hitler. I don’t despise anyone in the game of baseball. Baseball is just recreation.

I wonder how many of those who "despise" Moz even know the man...???

I don’t know Jared from subway.

But I mean…….do I really need to?

Let's see, President of Baseball Operations and a pedophile...seems like a totally reasonable and rational comparison. This thread is more juvenile than it is nonsensical. And that's saying a lot.

swatski wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 00:23 amI’m in.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 16:29 pm chime in for High Em ?

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:29 pm

Ace07 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 07:39 am I have a FB memory back from 2011 bashing Mozeliak, I've been one of his biggest critics.

He took over a great team, and consistently tried to "bandaid" the team with the payroll he received year in and year out. His free agent signings as a whole were absolutely awful - Dexter Fowler, Mike Leake, Steven Matz, Miles Mikolas, Greg Holland, Luke Gregerson, Brett Cecil, etc.
Trading away the wrong assets has also been highly documented - Alcantara, Gallen, Garcia, Arozarena, etc.

Was it all negative? No. But the negatives FAR outweighed the positives, and we have seen the Cardinal "product" become more and more water downed throughout the years. But the most frustrating thing is ownership kept re-signing him, and there was never any accountability. We would win a weak division, squeak into the playoffs and the ownership was happy enough financially and willing to alienate their fan base for profits.

There's a lot of issues that have surfaced.

The Cardinals "philosophy" of building from within was no longer working. Both their drafting and player development has been trending downward. Mozeliak was just making moves based on the culture/philosophy, but he did a demonstrably poor job. The BFIB kept showing support to mediocre teams for too long and were essentially enablers.

I haven't watched much in the last couple years, but this is the first time I stopped even looking at box scores in 20+ years. It's going to take some time to build up this franchise again, and I'm not sure I trust ownership to do what is necessary. Time will well.

There is plenty of blame to go around for the state of the Cardinals. Mo being POBO is a great example of the Peter Principle. He was promoted through the ranks until he reached his level of incompetence. Mo has been in over his head for along time. He ran on the coattails of the legacy left by Walt, TLR, George Kissell, and Jeff Luhnow. Very little of what Mo initiated himself has turned out well. How and why the DeWitts have left him in charge for so long is the biggest mystery of the Cards fall from might.

RunSup wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 17:44 pm I don't despise Mo. Just tired of him. "Weary" is the word Otis Redding used. Mo should have been gone after 2023.

I'm waiting on Bloom to actually say what he's going to do. He's not that vocal. But honestly I've stopped listening to podcasts and reading. St. Louis media has gotten weary to.

I figure if something important happens, there will be multiple threads here.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 17:45 pm

RunSup wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 17:44 pm I don't despise Mo. Just tired of him. "Weary" is the word Otis Redding used. Mo should have been gone after 2023.

I'm waiting on Bloom to actually say what he's going to do. He's not that vocal. But honestly I've stopped listening to podcasts and reading. St. Louis media has gotten weary to.

I figure if something important happens, there will be multiple threads here.

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