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Carp4Cy wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 15:59 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:54 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:36 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Well if they want to be dumb then they can bring him back for another tour of sucking at everything. I’m hoping bloom is smarter than that but who knows

Fair assumption: Since 2025 happened, if Gorman is brought back in 2026, he won't get the runway.

Thoughts on Gorman being on the roster at the beginning of 2026 ST: Who cares. It doesn't mean he will be with the team by June.

Fair viewpoint.
To replace Arenado my first choice(taking into account offense and defense) would be Donovan.
Although he could certainly find himself in LF.
Lots of moving parts:
Donovan- IF?OF?
Gorman- 2B?3B?DH?
Herrera- DH?OF?C?(doubtful in my mind!)
JJ- 2B?3B?
Walker- AAA?RF?Traded?

Of course there are others and any could be dealt as well?

That mess of words you just posted is why the Cards roster is what it is - a mess. Too many players who either don't have a position, or can kinda play a bunch of places but aren't ideal anywhere. Or they are ideal somewhere but thats the only place so and so can play, so we put them somewhere else. As I see it, A healthy Nado at 3b Isn't the primary problem. He's only playing 1 position, and defensively, he's still excellent at it. Its those other 5 we have to weed thru, and probably move on from a couple to make our roster make sense. After that, we need to find a REAL long term replacement for Nado, not just a piecemeal servicable warm body from a multiple choice list.

Cusecards wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:09 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 15:59 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:54 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:36 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Well if they want to be dumb then they can bring him back for another tour of sucking at everything. I’m hoping bloom is smarter than that but who knows

Fair assumption: Since 2025 happened, if Gorman is brought back in 2026, he won't get the runway.

Thoughts on Gorman being on the roster at the beginning of 2026 ST: Who cares. It doesn't mean he will be with the team by June.

Fair viewpoint.
To replace Arenado my first choice(taking into account offense and defense) would be Donovan.
Although he could certainly find himself in LF.
Lots of moving parts:
Donovan- IF?OF?
Gorman- 2B?3B?DH?
Herrera- DH?OF?C?(doubtful in my mind!)
JJ- 2B?3B?
Walker- AAA?RF?Traded?

Of course there are others and any could be dealt as well?

That mess of words you just posted is why the Cards roster is what it is - a mess. Too many players who either don't have a position, or can kinda play a bunch of places but aren't ideal anywhere. Or they are ideal somewhere but thats the only place so and so can play, so we put them somewhere else. As I see it, A healthy Nado at 3b Isn't the primary problem. He's only playing 1 position, and defensively, he's still excellent at it. Its those other 5 we have to weed thru, and probably move on from a couple to make our roster make sense. After that, we need to find a REAL long term replacement for Nado, not just a piecemeal servicable warm body from a multiple choice list.

I apologize....do you forgive me??

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 23:14 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:09 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 15:59 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:54 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:36 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Well if they want to be dumb then they can bring him back for another tour of sucking at everything. I’m hoping bloom is smarter than that but who knows

Fair assumption: Since 2025 happened, if Gorman is brought back in 2026, he won't get the runway.

Thoughts on Gorman being on the roster at the beginning of 2026 ST: Who cares. It doesn't mean he will be with the team by June.

Fair viewpoint.
To replace Arenado my first choice(taking into account offense and defense) would be Donovan.
Although he could certainly find himself in LF.
Lots of moving parts:
Donovan- IF?OF?
Gorman- 2B?3B?DH?
Herrera- DH?OF?C?(doubtful in my mind!)
JJ- 2B?3B?
Walker- AAA?RF?Traded?

Of course there are others and any could be dealt as well?

That mess of words you just posted is why the Cards roster is what it is - a mess. Too many players who either don't have a position, or can kinda play a bunch of places but aren't ideal anywhere. Or they are ideal somewhere but thats the only place so and so can play, so we put them somewhere else. As I see it, A healthy Nado at 3b Isn't the primary problem. He's only playing 1 position, and defensively, he's still excellent at it. Its those other 5 we have to weed thru, and probably move on from a couple to make our roster make sense. After that, we need to find a REAL long term replacement for Nado, not just a piecemeal servicable warm body from a multiple choice list.

I apologize....do you forgive me??

Oh I have no problem with you friend. Your post is very accurate as to all the places that a player may or may not belong. And that’s the problem I’m pointing out lol.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:46 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.

1. Yes, eat salary.
2. There is life after Arenado. Surely our organizational depth chart at 3b isn't just one guy.

So maybe we see, like, Prieto there. Who cares????

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:46 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.

1. Yes, eat salary.
2. There is life after Arenado. Surely our organizational depth chart at 3b isn't just one guy.

So maybe we see, like, Prieto there. Who cares????

I care. It could be a lot worse than Nado at 3b.

And if we eat his salary and get no savings to invest elsewhere (or BDW just spends the tiny savings on his grandkids), then there's no point to it. Trading him is just a distraction to fixing even bigger problems in the OF/rotation and his payroll is already a sunk cost.

Now IF we had a true top 3B prospect just waiting in the wings (not a SS/2bman), then its another story, but I don't even know who that would be. No one on MLB's list even looks that close and GG caliber:
https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/3b/

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:46 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.

1. Yes, eat salary.
2. There is life after Arenado. Surely our organizational depth chart at 3b isn't just one guy.

So maybe we see, like, Prieto there. Who cares????

I care. It could be a lot worse than Nado at 3b.

And if we eat his salary and get no savings to invest elsewhere (or BDW just spends the tiny savings on his grandkids), then there's no point to it. Trading him is just a distraction to fixing even bigger problems in the OF/rotation and his payroll is already a sunk cost.

Now IF we had a true top 3B prospect just waiting in the wings (not a SS/2bman), then its another story, but I don't even know who that would be. No one on MLB's list even looks that close and GG caliber:
https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/3b/

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:40 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:46 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.

1. Yes, eat salary.
2. There is life after Arenado. Surely our organizational depth chart at 3b isn't just one guy.

So maybe we see, like, Prieto there. Who cares????

I care. It could be a lot worse than Nado at 3b.

And if we eat his salary and get no savings to invest elsewhere (or BDW just spends the tiny savings on his grandkids), then there's no point to it. Trading him is just a distraction to fixing even bigger problems in the OF/rotation and his payroll is already a sunk cost.

Now IF we had a true top 3B prospect just waiting in the wings (not a SS/2bman), then its another story, but I don't even know who that would be. No one on MLB's list even looks that close and GG caliber:
https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/3b/

“Don’t trade him because they won’t do anything w the money saved!”

How do you know?

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:03 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:53 am The move is to trade NA.

I don't care how impressed we are by his 3b defense, he has been bad the last two years and has two years left on his deal. He doesn't want to be here and it shows when the Cards are losing.

Given the direction the Cards are going, I have no idea why people are advocating keeping him.

Sounds like he wants out. Cool. Bye.

To trade him, we would have to eat his salary, without having a 3B replacement. I think that’s what the objection is to.