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Re: Realistic trade chip possibilities

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OregonRedbird wrote: 19 Sep 2025 12:50 pm Donovan, Burleson, Herrera and Contreras are our best hitters. A team so offensively challenges shouldn't trade them.
If the club was close to being a legitimate contender, I would agree….

But they are on this year’s failed team…..and to not maximize their trade value now is a missed opportunity
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Talkin' Baseball wrote: 18 Sep 2025 20:20 pm To me, anyone except Winn, Wetherholt, Doyle, Liberatore, and McGreevy can be traded. Liberatore and McGreevy not so much because they are excellent, but because there aren't alternatives. If they develop alternatives, I would be willing to re-visit that thought.
Agreed on Libby and McGreevy. They already have holes to fill in next years rotation. Can’t create more.

Miles is gone. Pallante should be move back to the pen. And Gray will be shopped (actually traded TBD). So probably 2 spots, maybe 3. Gotta keep the cheap pluggable guys like Libby and McGreevy for now.
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2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
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Shady wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:43 pm A lot to choose from. Donovan, Nootbaar, Walker, Gorman, Scott or Church (not both), Arenado, a catcher or two.
I want to keep Donavan,Church and Scott
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casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
The poster is likely just trying to mess with another poster who has touted Burleson's hitting potential for a long time. Much to the chagrin of some. Meanwhile, Burleson just keeps on with his impressive hitting.
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casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
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Mort Gage wrote: 20 Sep 2025 13:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
^^^THIS^^^

Burly's trade value may never be higher, get max value for him this offseason.

I'm a fan and he's had a good season, but no one on this current major league roster should be off limits if the return justifies dealing them.
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rockondlouie wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 20 Sep 2025 13:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
^^^THIS^^^

Burly's trade value may never be higher, get max value for him this offseason.

I'm a fan and he's had a good season, but no one on this current major league roster should be off limits if the return justifies dealing them.
So you are now a "fan" of Burleson after slighting him for a long time? So what return would justify trading Burleson. I've seen a suggestion of trading him for a high upside AA player. Is that really prudent trading a proven hitter like Burleson for an unproven minor leaguer? Burleson is not going anywhere but playing for the St. Louis Cardinals for quite a few seasons in the future. IMO
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TB is supposedly deep with OF and Pitching prospects in their system, but doubt they'd want Burleson
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Shady wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:58 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 20 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Mort Gage wrote: 20 Sep 2025 13:29 pm
casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
Because he's barely a two bWAR player and may be at his peak. He's dreadfully slow and adds little value on the basepaths or in the field. Find a contender who needs a LH bat and trade him for a higher upside athletic AA outfielder, or pitcher. This team isn't contending next year anyway.
^^^THIS^^^

Burly's trade value may never be higher, get max value for him this offseason.

I'm a fan and he's had a good season, but no one on this current major league roster should be off limits if the return justifies dealing them.
So you are now a "fan" of Burleson after slighting him for a long time? So what return would justify trading Burleson. I've seen a suggestion tyrading him for high upside AA players. Is that really prudent trading a proven hitter like Burleson for an unproven minor leaguer? Burleson not going anywhere but playing for the St. Louis Cardinals for quite a few seasons in the future. IMO
You’re the one who proposed trading Jordan Walker (0 BTV) for Bubba Chandler (59.6 BTV). Using your “logic,” just think of the massive haul of “fine young prospects” the Cardinals could get for Burleson (11.1 BTV).
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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 20 Sep 2025 15:05 pm TB is supposedly deep with OF and Pitching prospects in their system, but doubt they'd want Burleson
I can't think of a single team that wouldn't "want" Burleson at some capacity involving him hitting for them.
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IMHO, Gorman + Burleson or Nootbar for an MLB ready starting pitcher would be a smart move for the Cards.

Burleson is rising, Nootbar is falling.
  • If you want a better SP in return, you trade high on Burleson.
  • If you want Burleson or Herrera in your OF next year, you trade low on Nootbar. I do not.
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the Mets might be interested since it sounds like they're not bringing Alonso back. have no idea what they have in their system tho

and I would think most teams would want a 1bman with a bit more pop

Gorman/Burly+Noot to SEA for one of their young pitchers? doubt they'd do that tho

and agree, don't wanna see Burleson or Herrera in LF full time
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Hard to figure: Shady says Burleson is “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto” and is coveted by every team, yet when the conversation turns to potential trades, he never seems to think the Cardinals can get anything for him. Very odd.
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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 20 Sep 2025 15:16 pm the Mets might be interested since it sounds like they're not bringing Alonso back. have no idea what they have in their system tho

and I would think most teams would want a 1bman with a bit more pop

Gorman/Burly+Noot to SEA for one of their young pitchers? doubt they'd do that tho

and agree, don't wanna see Burleson or Herrera in LF full time
Burleson will be edging closer and closer to respectable offensive numbers for a MLB first baseman. Wonder if Contreras could bring a starting pitcher if he decides to waive his NTC to some teams. Then use that money saved on Contreras on starting pitching.
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casey1024 wrote: 20 Sep 2025 12:22 pm
2ninr wrote: 18 Sep 2025 18:45 pmBurleson
Why???? One of our best hitters
So -that makes him a good trade chip. Perhaps you get some much needed pitching in return.
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