Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 19:02 pmOkay so if some idiot came and claimed the white players took it easy on the black players and let the games be close so they wouldn’t be embarrassed and refuse to play in games so they could make money you would be like yea nothing can be proven or disproven? Both of those claims are dumb
You make those claims look smart.
And youre the idiot making dumb claims like black players were intentionally throwing games by letting him hit them. I think they probably had pride self respect and would want to show the world what they have and play hard but you don’t think they did so that’s you’re dumb opinion and I disagree with it
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
You don't think the pitchers he faced got up more for facing Ruth than they ever did for any other AB? Those guys were competitors just like the MLB players and any time they got to play against MLB players they absolutely did everything they could to show they were as good or better than them.
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
You don't think the pitchers he faced got up more for facing Ruth than they ever did for any other AB? Those guys were competitors just like the MLB players and any time they got to play against MLB players they absolutely did everything they could to show they were as good or better than them.
Yea it’s kind of a slap in the face to those guys to say they didn’t have pride in their performance and abilities and would throw games by letting him hit them. I have way too much respect for them to believe that
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
You don't think the pitchers he faced got up more for facing Ruth than they ever did for any other AB? Those guys were competitors just like the MLB players and any time they got to play against MLB players they absolutely did everything they could to show they were as good or better than them.
Yea it’s kind of a slap in the face to those guys to say they didn’t have pride in their performance and abilities and would throw games by letting him hit them. I have way too much respect for them to believe that
I never said anything about throwing games.
Regarding the false rhetoric that Ruth faced the best the game had to offer… Joe DiMaggio said Satchel Paige was the best and hardest thrower he ever faced. How many times did Ruth face Paige? None.
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
You don't think the pitchers he faced got up more for facing Ruth than they ever did for any other AB? Those guys were competitors just like the MLB players and any time they got to play against MLB players they absolutely did everything they could to show they were as good or better than them.
Yea it’s kind of a slap in the face to those guys to say they didn’t have pride in their performance and abilities and would throw games by letting him hit them. I have way too much respect for them to believe that
I never said anything about throwing games.
Regarding the false rhetoric that Ruth faced the best the game had to offer… Joe DiMaggio said Satchel Paige was the best and hardest thrower he ever faced. How many times did Ruth face Paige? None.
lol satchel Paige was 11 years younger than Ruth it’s not surprising they didn’t face each other when Ruth hit 50 home runs the first time Paige was only 14. And yes you said they weren’t trying to strike Ruth out meaning they were letting him hit them Ruth hit just as well against them as he did the white players so they were intentionally letting him hit them and hit home runs which cost them some games so yea if what you say is true they were no better than the black Sox scandal throwing games intentionally for money. But hey you’re entitled to your opinion that you think they were letting him hit them and throwing games as a result it’s cool I think they had more self respect and pride than that
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
You don't think the pitchers he faced got up more for facing Ruth than they ever did for any other AB? Those guys were competitors just like the MLB players and any time they got to play against MLB players they absolutely did everything they could to show they were as good or better than them.
Yea it’s kind of a slap in the face to those guys to say they didn’t have pride in their performance and abilities and would throw games by letting him hit them. I have way too much respect for them to believe that
I never said anything about throwing games.
Regarding the false rhetoric that Ruth faced the best the game had to offer… Joe DiMaggio said Satchel Paige was the best and hardest thrower he ever faced. How many times did Ruth face Paige? None.
lol satchel Paige was 11 years younger than Ruth it’s not surprising they didn’t face each other when Ruth hit 50 home runs the first time Paige was only 14.
Their professional careers overlapped for nine years. Oops.
And yes you said they weren’t trying to strike Ruth out meaning they were letting him hit them Ruth hit just as well against them as he did the white players so they were intentionally letting him hit them and hit home runs which cost them some games so yea if what you say is true they were no better than the black Sox scandal throwing games intentionally for money. But hey you’re entitled to your opinion that you think they were letting him hit them and throwing games as a result it’s cool I think they had more self respect and pride than that
Oh gee thanks for letting me know I’m allowed to have an opinion. It’s super cool that you get to make up utterly nonsensical hyperbolic bull[shirt] that does not even remotely approximate my opinion… I guess you think you’re entitled to that? Stick your strawman bull[shirt] six feet up your (donkey).
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
You don't think the pitchers he faced got up more for facing Ruth than they ever did for any other AB? Those guys were competitors just like the MLB players and any time they got to play against MLB players they absolutely did everything they could to show they were as good or better than them.
Yea it’s kind of a slap in the face to those guys to say they didn’t have pride in their performance and abilities and would throw games by letting him hit them. I have way too much respect for them to believe that
I never said anything about throwing games.
Regarding the false rhetoric that Ruth faced the best the game had to offer… Joe DiMaggio said Satchel Paige was the best and hardest thrower he ever faced. How many times did Ruth face Paige? None.
lol satchel Paige was 11 years younger than Ruth it’s not surprising they didn’t face each other when Ruth hit 50 home runs the first time Paige was only 14.
Their professional careers overlapped for nine years. Oops.
And yes you said they weren’t trying to strike Ruth out meaning they were letting him hit them Ruth hit just as well against them as he did the white players so they were intentionally letting him hit them and hit home runs which cost them some games so yea if what you say is true they were no better than the black Sox scandal throwing games intentionally for money. But hey you’re entitled to your opinion that you think they were letting him hit them and throwing games as a result it’s cool I think they had more self respect and pride than that
Oh gee thanks for letting me know I’m allowed to have an opinion. It’s super cool that you get to make up utterly nonsensical hyperbolic bull[shirt] that does not even remotely approximate my opinion… I guess you think you’re entitled to that? Stick your strawman bull[shirt] six feet up your (donkey).
It’s not my opinion you said they intentionally weren’t trying to strike him out which means they were intentionally letting him hit them which would be why he hit as well against them as he did against white players. Those are your words clown they weren’t trying to get him out because they weren’t trying to strike him out. Jackie Robinson also never faced satchel Paige does that mean he never faced the best pitching? I mean their careers overlapped so I guess Jackie never faced the best pitching either. But you’re the kind of clown that needs the last word so I’ll let you have it and be done with it you’re wrong and you’re disrespecting those players saying they intentionally let him hit them
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
You don't think the pitchers he faced got up more for facing Ruth than they ever did for any other AB? Those guys were competitors just like the MLB players and any time they got to play against MLB players they absolutely did everything they could to show they were as good or better than them.
Yea it’s kind of a slap in the face to those guys to say they didn’t have pride in their performance and abilities and would throw games by letting him hit them. I have way too much respect for them to believe that
I never said anything about throwing games.
Regarding the false rhetoric that Ruth faced the best the game had to offer… Joe DiMaggio said Satchel Paige was the best and hardest thrower he ever faced. How many times did Ruth face Paige? None.
lol satchel Paige was 11 years younger than Ruth it’s not surprising they didn’t face each other when Ruth hit 50 home runs the first time Paige was only 14.
Their professional careers overlapped for nine years. Oops.
And yes you said they weren’t trying to strike Ruth out meaning they were letting him hit them Ruth hit just as well against them as he did the white players so they were intentionally letting him hit them and hit home runs which cost them some games so yea if what you say is true they were no better than the black Sox scandal throwing games intentionally for money. But hey you’re entitled to your opinion that you think they were letting him hit them and throwing games as a result it’s cool I think they had more self respect and pride than that
Oh gee thanks for letting me know I’m allowed to have an opinion. It’s super cool that you get to make up utterly nonsensical hyperbolic bull[shirt] that does not even remotely approximate my opinion… I guess you think you’re entitled to that? Stick your strawman bull[shirt] six feet up your (donkey).
It’s not my opinion you said they intentionally weren’t trying to strike him out which means they were intentionally letting him hit them which would be why he hit as well against them as he did against white players. Those are your words clown they weren’t trying to get him out because they weren’t trying to strike him out
You are making false assumptions. I suggested the possibility that pitchers might not have been inclined to bite the hand that feeds them in giving Ruth their best stuff. That was within a question I posed to SOMEONE ELSE - not you, as you parade around claiming I jumped into your conversation while wildly misinterpreting everything I’ve said. Go on and regurgitate the same 100-year-old bull[shirt] spouted by Spink and Landis back then - nobody will [fork]ing care, especially not the Nazi apologist whose coattails you’re pathetically riding. Have a nice night.
cardiological wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 23:53 pm
Hit number 50 tonight. Also pitched 5 innings, allowed 0 hits.
Baseball fans, we may very well be witnessing the greatest player in the history of the sport.
There was this guy named George Herman Ruth. Might ought to look at his numbers. Compare them to Ohtani's
Ruth played in a time when there was no diversity, guys ate pasta more than lifting weights and pitchers were throwing 80 mph tops. He stole home ten times in his career. That shows you how mediocre the athletes were in his day.
I can see today's players living without air conditioning and riding coal exhaust belching trains. Just another guy who says my generation is the best.
cardiological wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 23:53 pm
Hit number 50 tonight. Also pitched 5 innings, allowed 0 hits.
Baseball fans, we may very well be witnessing the greatest player in the history of the sport.
There was this guy named George Herman Ruth. Might ought to look at his numbers. Compare them to Ohtani's
Ruth played in a time when there was no diversity, guys ate pasta more than lifting weights and pitchers were throwing 80 mph tops. He stole home ten times in his career. That shows you how mediocre the athletes were in his day.
I can see today's players living without air conditioning and riding coal exhaust belching trains. Just another guy who says my generation is the best.
I doubt today’s player could come close to some of the old records if they were suddenly transported back to the ‘20’s-50’s it was a different world
Transportation, AC, living conditions, training, equipment……
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 09:30 am
Doesn't matter, Ruth played against the best of his time.
What's known of Ruth's numbers barnstorming against black teams were that they were even better than his ML numbers. Wonder what kind of success the great "diversity" pitchers of the time would have had with a steady diet of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Foxx, Hornsby, Speaker and the such.
Bleacher Reports rated Walter Johnson's fastball as the best of all time, Lefty Grove's at #4.
lol… Ruth organized those exhibition games. You seriously think they were out to strike him out?
Yes. I'd love to be known as someone who struck out Ruth. The great HOF Judy Johnson said of Ruth "We could never seem to get him out no matter what we did.”
According to Buck O'Neil Paige did face Ruth in an exhibition at the end of his career and that Ruth hit a monstrous HR to dead centerfield. O'Neil continued that Paige was waiting for Ruth at homeplate with a ball asking for an autograph. The story is backed up by Ruth's daughter Julia.
I'm sure Paige, with his ego, gave his all facing Ruth and probably registered several outs against him too.
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 11:01 am
According to Buck O'Neil Paige did face Ruth in an exhibition at the end of his career and that Ruth hit a monstrous HR to dead centerfield. O'Neil continued that Paige was waiting for Ruth at homeplate with a ball asking for an autograph. The story is backed up by Ruth's daughter Julia.
I'm sure Paige, with his ego, gave his all facing Ruth and probably registered several outs against him too.
Paige said he never faced Ruth.
Also, O’Neill’s story was NOT backed up by Ruth’s daughter Julia. She said Paige held Ruth hitless… however, both stories appear to be apocryphal.
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 11:01 am
According to Buck O'Neil Paige did face Ruth in an exhibition at the end of his career and that Ruth hit a monstrous HR to dead centerfield. O'Neil continued that Paige was waiting for Ruth at homeplate with a ball asking for an autograph. The story is backed up by Ruth's daughter Julia.
I'm sure Paige, with his ego, gave his all facing Ruth and probably registered several outs against him too.
Paige said he never faced Ruth.
Also, O’Neill’s story was NOT back up by Ruth’s daughter Julia. She said Paige held Ruth hitless… however, both stories appear to be apocryphal.
So which was it, now you say Ruth's daughter Julia claimed they did face each other.
Believe what you want but to think any pro ballplayer given the chance to pitch to Ruth would purposely throw him a big meatball is really stretching things.
