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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.

Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.

Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?

A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.

No one saw the Mets 14-27 collapse coming and if they say they did they are lying. It would have been dumb to keep maton helsley and matz and it they kept helsley instead of trading him to the Mets the Mets would be 4-5 games better and the cardinals would be worse because oli would keep running him out there

76-86 sounds about right

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:35 pm

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .

Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.

It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?

They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.

They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.

I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.

None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.

Lol..

None of it's relevant because it doesn't square with your present-day [nonsense].

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:27 am

casey1024 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:23 am I honestly thought this was where we would be........I had no illusions that this team was good enough to do much better than .500. I'm okay with where the rebuild is at. If Goldy and Arenado had not fell off the cliff so, so fast......we could have been in a decent place the past 2 years. Sometimes even the best of plans do not work. I thought when we acquired those 2, we would go deep in the playoffs. But.....when you make those kind of investments....and they don't work out....you land where we are. It's called life....it happens.

Good point. When you aquire two arguable HoF corners, still in prime, you’d expect more.

Arenado was 30 when we got him. Goldy was 31. Neither was in his prime if you're measuring it narrowly (26-29). Even if you stretch it (say 25-31) then both players were at the tail of their primes.

The Cardinals got more than they should have expected from Goldy, and about what was expected from Arenado.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:46 am Hopefully, they go 0-11.

Hopefully, that increases their draft position.

And most hopefully, the poor finish combined with the fact we have fewer answers now due to the poor handling of "runway" distribution than we did at the start of the season, this will convince Bloom that Oli is simply not the man for this job and send him walking in October.

THIS right here is the correct philosophy. As I’ve said on here before, this franchise needs a deep cleansing Triple H Enema. What’s a Triple H Enema? Hot, high, and helluva lot.

#MoMustGo
#OliMustGo
#FloresMustGo
#DustyMustGo

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:19 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .

Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.

As I have noted an exhaustive amount of times, we are 6 seasons from an all time franchise tieing record- consecutive years without WS appearances.

We are at 12 and counting. Record - 1946-1964. That’s the fifties. Then 67-82. That’s the seventies; then 87-2004,that’s the nineties.

Now it’s 2013 till?? There goes the twenties.

Same scenerio.

Ty for your stats. Proves the saying ‘history repeats itself.
I was born in 48 so didn’t see first WS til I was age 16 so had that drought.. Then waited the 14 years between 1968 and 1982. Then that 90’s gap you mentioned.. So this is the fourth big gap in my
lifetime.
For younger guys on CT , they may have seen just one gap like this . Stick around and you may get to 4 long spans!
More are coming boys !!

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 17:46 pm

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:46 am Hopefully, they go 0-11.

Hopefully, that increases their draft position.

And most hopefully, the poor finish combined with the fact we have fewer answers now due to the poor handling of "runway" distribution than we did at the start of the season, this will convince Bloom that Oli is simply not the man for this job and send him walking in October.

THIS right here is the correct philosophy. As I’ve said on here before, this franchise needs a deep cleansing Triple H Enema. What’s a Triple H Enema? Hot, high, and helluva lot.

#MoMustGo
#OliMustGo
#FloresMustGo
#DustyMustGo

Go, Mo, Go!

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:19 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .

Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.

As I have noted an exhaustive amount of times, we are 6 seasons from an all time franchise tieing record- consecutive years without WS appearances.

We are at 12 and counting. Record - 1946-1964. That’s the fifties. Then 67-82. That’s the seventies; then 87-2004,that’s the nineties.

Now it’s 2013 till?? There goes the twenties.

Same scenerio.

Sikeston,

Which players on the current organization do you see having a chance to be part of a future world series team.

Winn, JJ, Herrera? Who else. There has to be at least a few pieces.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 15:32 pm

Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.

Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.

Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?

A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.

Any fan grounded in reality and not living hoping for a miracle run clearly saw this team never had a chance at a World Series title. Being a seller over a buyer was the correct move.

As far as the off season goes, there is nothing Bloom can do this offseason to correct all the issues. What he can do is start to correct some of the issues and start to win back the trust of a fan base who has been run off by Mo and DeWitt.

I know it’s not fun, but there are times a team has to seriously look at where it stands and take the painful approach of selling to fix issues.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 11:17 am

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:46 am Hopefully, they go 0-11.

Hopefully, that increases their draft position.

And most hopefully, the poor finish combined with the fact we have fewer answers now due to the poor handling of "runway" distribution than we did at the start of the season, this will convince Bloom that Oli is simply not the man for this job and send him walking in October.

I think that call will be 100% BDWJrs and he's (likely) going to keep him since he's paying him for 2026 and isn't going to invest any (real) money in the 2026 rebuilding team.

Then he’s more of a senile old moron than we all expected.

If he chooses to keep an incompetent manager because he would have to pay him anyway(probably around a measly 500k) then he’s losing even more in terms of ticket sales because fans will continue to stay away from the stadium.

New Manager=New Life=Reenergized fanbase

It won’t take 400 million dollar contracts. Just an indication that they give a f*** about winning again.

IT. IS.LITERALLY.THAT.SIMPLE