Gorman Must Stay

[Wattage]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

Doubling his current ABs, which is generous imo, gives him 26HR, which is not 30HR.

It’s not about generosity it’s about what the numbers are with a full season of at-bats.

600 at bats with his current 2025 stats, which come with great amounts of disruption to playing time, would put him at 27.4 HR’s, which is why I said “at about” 30 HR total

If we use his 2024 stats of 19 HRs over 600 at-bats it’s 31 HR’s.

Birds

Why would you project 600 at bats? Only 20 players reached that last year and most bat leadoff which there is no way gorman would. Even 600 plate appearences is generous of a projection.

[Ozziesfan41]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

You do realize that that is false?
He has 13 homeruns in 332 plate appearences- that projects to 23 over 600 plate appearences.

You also realize that for him to get 600 plate appearences hed have to hit full time vs lefties and more proportion of at bats vs lefties would lower his homerun rate more.

You cam straight project to larger sample size anyway but hed project to about 20 homeruns.

People say Herrera has no power but Gorman has light power power Herrera has 12 in 84 games Gorman has 13 in 93 and Herrera is actually a good hitter who gets on base

[General]

If he’s only here to DH, what is the point of needing him versus Herrera? Herrera is also cheap and has more years of control remaining.

I’m the biggest fan of Herrera.

I wish there would have been, at least visible, working connection between him and Yadi.

That frame and build is special, his face is dialed. He is a major league you want to try to find a place in your organization that works.

I don’t think Ivan is a 35+ HR hitter although a probably better overall hitter than Gorman. I do think Gorman is pretty much a slam dunk to hit 35+ with regular playing time while not being jerked around learning new positions when he’s not gifted defensively in the first place.

Given our ‘youth’ movement and where we are at I’d prefer to see players like Herrera and even Burelson build value while taking time at 1B (and DH as well) instead of WC.

Given where we are at I’d be giving Gorman 3b reps in ‘26 and using him heavily at DH with an open-mind to slide more one way or the other as we get more feedback on his 3b play and I’d still probably have interest in Herrera catching sometimes, I’m not closed to that either.

I’m the biggest fan of Gorman and I love him more at 2B just as I love Herrera more at C bc their bats are so much more valuable at those positions and it massively elongates the lineup.

I wish they were able to trade Arenado over the winter so Gorman was able to start the season at 3B. He’s done much better with the consistent reps since Arenados injury. He’s got the power profile you don’t want to give up on too soon.

[LewisL]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

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We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

Fast forward to 2 years later.....Pitchers apparently adjusted, and he apparently hasn't.

[Wattage]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

In 2023 he had a .805 ops. He hasnt come close to that since.. he aint the same hitter he was in 2023

[alw80]

99 OPS+ you definitely need to build around a bat like that.

[TheSolution]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

In 2023 he had a .805 ops. He hasnt come close to that since.. he aint the same hitter he was in 2023

He hasn’t had the consistency or total of at-bats since ‘23 where he had 464 plate appearances.

Nobody other than Gorman has hit double digit HR’s in his first 4 season’s since Pujols.

It’s for sure a situation where you look at the position change at the MLB level, the injuries, and the current outlook on spending and building and you absolutely should be not just supportive but excited to see what this young player can do at the plate with regular, consistent playing at either his natural position or the heavy regular at DH.

[Ozziesfan41]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

In 2023 he had a .805 ops. He hasnt come close to that since.. he aint the same hitter he was in 2023

In 2030 when he’s still not hitting they will say but but he hit 27 home runs in 2023 he’s got it in him!. His problem is he’s slow to adjust he got hot pitchers adjusted and he’s sinking again it takes him too long to adjust so he’s awful for far longer stretches than he is good

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99 OPS+ you definitely need to build around a bat like that.

Yeah, just because he's far better than another 1st rounder in Walker doesn't mean the Cardinals should spend another year seeing what they have. That would be Mozeliak 2.0.

And he doesn't have a position nailed down heading into next year with Wetherholt's arrival and maybe being stuck with Arenado again. And DH is already crowded with Burly and Herrera taking turns there. Culling the herd will be required to some degree. We shall see what Bloom does.

[Wattage]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

In 2023 he had a .805 ops. He hasnt come close to that since.. he aint the same hitter he was in 2023

He hasn’t had the consistency or total of at-bats since ‘23 where he had 464 plate appearances.

Nobody other than Gorman has hit double digit HR’s in his first 4 season’s since Pujols.

It’s for sure a situation where you look at the position change at the MLB level, the injuries, and the current outlook on spending and building and you absolutely should be not just supportive but excited to see what this young player can do at the plate with regular, consistent playing at either his natural position or the heavy regular at DH.

And why hasnt he?
He had consistency to start 2024. He lost the plate appearences after a certain length of time and sent to the minors because he was hitting well under .200. At some point you dont co tinue

Also fun fact he actually had MORE plate appearences total in 2023 than 2023, its just that 98 of them were in the minor leagues

And blaming the position change is silly. Youd have a point maybe if gorman changed positions in 2024 and then started struggling.

But gorman changed to 2b in the minor leagues in 2021 andnit didnt affect his hitting then- then had a great minor league season and okay 2022 rookie season in majors and a good 2023 playing 2b- so why are we know blaming the position change from 4 years ago for his struggles when it didnt affect his hotting at all for those 3 years but you sre now blaming it for his struggles these last 2. Im sorry but that is beyond laughable of an excuse at this point.

[Wattage]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

In 2023 he had a .805 ops. He hasnt come close to that since.. he aint the same hitter he was in 2023

In 2030 when he’s still not hitting they will say but but he hit 27 home runs in 2023 he’s got it in him!. His problem is he’s slow to adjust he got hot pitchers adjusted and he’s sinking again it takes him too long to adjust so he’s awful for far longer stretches than he is good

Im also trying to figure out how Gormans position change to 2b which he made in 2021 while still hitting fine in minors in 2021, did okay in 202 as a rookie and hit well in 2023-is now to blane for his struggles hitting in 2024 and 2025.

The op literally listed the position change as an excuse for his struggles- despite him making it in 2021 andnhis majors struggles hitting beginning in 2024.

[scoutyjones2]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

Almost 3 years ago. In 200 games since then, he'(poop) 32....Can't stay healthy and doesn't have a spot on the field to play.

I believe there's never been anyone like him!

[Ozziesfan41]

We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

In 2023 he hit 27 HRs in 119 games.....I'd say he's already proven he has it in him.

In 2023 he had a .805 ops. He hasnt come close to that since.. he aint the same hitter he was in 2023

In 2030 when he’s still not hitting they will say but but he hit 27 home runs in 2023 he’s got it in him!. His problem is he’s slow to adjust he got hot pitchers adjusted and he’s sinking again it takes him too long to adjust so he’s awful for far longer stretches than he is good

Im also trying to figure out how Gormans position change to 2b which he made in 2021 while still hitting fine in minors in 2021, did okay in 202 as a rookie and hit well in 2023-is now to blane for his struggles hitting in 2024 and 2025.

The op literally listed the position change as an excuse for his struggles- despite him making it in 2021 andnhis majors struggles hitting beginning in 2024.

If the position change caused him to suck then he’s a worse player than I thought because he’s weak minded and he’s back at third and still sucking

[TheSolution]

And why hasnt he?
He had consistency to start 2024. He lost the plate appearences after a certain length of time and sent to the minors because he was hitting well under .200. At some point you dont co tinue

Also fun fact he actually had MORE plate appearences total in 2023 than 2023, its just that 98 of them were in the minor leagues

And blaming the position change is silly. Youd have a point maybe if gorman changed positions in 2024 and then started struggling.

But gorman changed to 2b in the minor leagues in 2021 andnit didnt affect his hitting then- then had a great minor league season and okay 2022 rookie season in majors and a good 2023 playing 2b- so why are we know blaming the position change from 4 years ago for his struggles when it didnt affect his hotting at all for those 3 years but you sre now blaming it for his struggles these last 2. Im sorry but that is beyond laughable of an excuse at this point.

Probably because given his body type and hitting profile it didn’t make sense to move this 3b player to 2b and it’s contributed to injuries as the movement profile is far different at 2b than 3b as well as the time investment required to continue to hone that position at the MLB level.

Given that Gorman is the only double digit HR hitter since Pujols in his first 4 seasons, is 25 years old, and we aren’t going to spend to acquire a better power potential bat it’s unbelievable people aren’t fully on board with seeing what we can get out of him at 3b and or DH.

[swatski]

You have to put his name out there to see what kind of return you can get. If it makes sense you trade him you do, if not you don’t.