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They are all being paid market value or even have underwater contracts.
Have you heard of releasing a player outright? DFA? Unless he agrees to whatever trade they can work out, it could happen. They aren't getting anything for him. They don't want him. They will pay a huge chunk of his salary to move him. Think Dexter Fowler.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
Looking at it I was thinking 90+ loses, especially if Oli is still the manager.
I've heard of it. Arenado makes $27 million next season. Unlikely any team would claim him off waivers and then the Cardinals pay the salary while getting no production. Gray makes $35 million. Same thing.2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 08:06 amHave you heard of releasing a player outright? DFA? Unless he agrees to whatever trade they can work out, it could happen. They aren't getting anything for him. They don't want him. They will pay a huge chunk of his salary to move him. Think Dexter Fowler.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
Unless that RH OF bat is star caliber They will use Donovan as a place holder for Baez who will need 1 more year. Names can be moved but I think he will be here and playing OF/2B or 3B and I beleive they want Wetherholt to play 2B and than Gorman/Segesse only have one spot to play forcing Donovan to the OFJatalk wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:46 amIMO you miss a real team dilemma. Playing Donovan in the outfield is a total waste of talent. LF needs to go to a big bat. Gorman is a liability at third. Not saying Donovan to third but between him, JJ, Saggese or even Winn you have to solve for third base.Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:19 pm What I expect
Arenado traded. Cards eat half or more of contract
Gray is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Contreras is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Donovan extended 4/60
Nootbar trade for RP
Roster
1B Burleson
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Gorman
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF Walker
C Pages
DH Hererra
Bench
Church, Crooks, Segesse, RH bat from above
SP
Pitcher from above
Libertore
McGreevy
Matthews
Pallante
Payroll approx 80m depending on contracts acquired.
Attendance 1.2-1.5m
You can't just keep tanking and winning top 10 picks - theres a rule that blocks you from the top 10 after too many consequtive years.Youboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:52 pm.500 team for $60-$80m awaiting Doyle and farm to advance. That’s what a rebuild year 2 is about. Add another top 10 pick next draft then start spending to add. However My point is it’s still going down. Upward movement maybe by 2028Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:48 pm Depending on the right handed bat, that looks like another 78 to 80 win team
Owner wants to remove payroll and their window does not match the rebuild timeline and there is a 40mins and 26man roster crunch. 2 players they are able to move. Most have no valuePadsFS07 wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 08:04 amThey are all being paid market value or even have underwater contracts.
I don’t get the desire to trade players for no return just to lower payroll for a billionaire that will not spend equal value on the free agent market.
None of them are really blocking anyone important either.
Can’t but you meet with them and say we are in a rebuild and if you would like to have a chance to win we will move you to a contender. All players want a chance to win nearing the end of their careersScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
I wouldn't assume that. As a kid I attended 16 schools in 12 states. It's hard on a family to do that. They might just want to stay in one place until they retire. Also many fan bases aren't as kind to their players as St Louis fans.Youboughtit wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 12:05 pmCan’t but you meet with them and say we are in a rebuild and if you would like to have a chance to win we will move you to a contender. All players want a chance to win nearing the end of their careersScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
Gray only has 1 year left so a trade and extension wouldScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 12:31 pmI wouldn't assume that. As a kid I attended 16 schools in 12 states. It's hard on a family to do that. They might just want to stay in one place until they retire. Also many fan bases aren't as kind to their players as St Louis fans.Youboughtit wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 12:05 pmCan’t but you meet with them and say we are in a rebuild and if you would like to have a chance to win we will move you to a contender. All players want a chance to win nearing the end of their careersScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 11:26 amI've heard of it. Arenado makes $27 million next season. Unlikely any team would claim him off waivers and then the Cardinals pay the salary while getting no production. Gray makes $35 million. Same thing.2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 08:06 amHave you heard of releasing a player outright? DFA? Unless he agrees to whatever trade they can work out, it could happen. They aren't getting anything for him. They don't want him. They will pay a huge chunk of his salary to move him. Think Dexter Fowler.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
It's possible a team would pick the remaining $36 million on Contreras over 2 seasons.
If no team picks them up that's $80 million we are paying a player not to play.
Fowler waived his no trade clause.
I don’t see where there is a roster crunch. I also don’t care about the owner wanting to remove payroll. He will have to pay most of, if not all, of all 3 contracts even if they trade them.Youboughtit wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 12:03 pmOwner wants to remove payroll and their window does not match the rebuild timeline and there is a 40mins and 26man roster crunch. 2 players they are able to move. Most have no valuePadsFS07 wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 08:04 amThey are all being paid market value or even have underwater contracts.
I don’t get the desire to trade players for no return just to lower payroll for a billionaire that will not spend equal value on the free agent market.
None of them are really blocking anyone important either.
Realistically, even if you paid down his contract substantially and ignored his list of teams, who are the teams that might be willing to take on Arenado?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 14:31 pmScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 11:26 amI've heard of it. Arenado makes $27 million next season. Unlikely any team would claim him off waivers and then the Cardinals pay the salary while getting no production. Gray makes $35 million. Same thing.2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 08:06 amHave you heard of releasing a player outright? DFA? Unless he agrees to whatever trade they can work out, it could happen. They aren't getting anything for him. They don't want him. They will pay a huge chunk of his salary to move him. Think Dexter Fowler.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
It's possible a team would pick the remaining $36 million on Contreras over 2 seasons.
If no team picks them up that's $80 million we are paying a player not to play.
Fowler waived his no trade clause.
So will Arenado.
Nobody but you said anything about dfa with Contreras or Gray.
See the other bolded parts. I said Contreras gets traded and Gray stay here 1 more year. That makes Arenado the only real loss. And it's not a loss if he's not worth anything. The DFA is just a threat. He will agree to the trade to avoid that embarrassment. Have a good Labor day!
They won’t draw more than 1.5 million with that sad outfitYouboughtit wrote: ↑30 Aug 2025 21:19 pm What I expect
Arenado traded. Cards eat half or more of contract
Gray is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Contreras is traded for a SP or RH OF bat
Donovan extended 4/60
Nootbar trade for RP
Roster
1B Burleson
2B Wetherholt
SS Winn
3B Gorman
LF Donovan
CF Scott
RF Walker
C Pages
DH Hererra
Bench
Church, Crooks, Segesse, RH bat from above
SP
Pitcher from above
Libertore
McGreevy
Matthews
Pallante
Payroll approx 80m depending on contracts acquired.
Attendance 1.2-1.5m
They have a ton of players that have 5 years in minors and not on 40 man. Eligible for rule 5. Mostly SP. you don’t see 7 if Gorman Contreras Winn Walker Donovan Segesse and Wetherholt and a DH Logjamas a result? Then there is the OF with Donovan Church Nootbar Scott Walker and Burleson. All the players above will be on the team plus I removed 5. Is trade. That is the definition of roster crunchPadsFS07 wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 14:45 pmI don’t see where there is a roster crunch. I also don’t care about the owner wanting to remove payroll. He will have to pay most of, if not all, of all 3 contracts even if they trade them.Youboughtit wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 12:03 pmOwner wants to remove payroll and their window does not match the rebuild timeline and there is a 40mins and 26man roster crunch. 2 players they are able to move. Most have no valuePadsFS07 wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 08:04 amThey are all being paid market value or even have underwater contracts.
I don’t get the desire to trade players for no return just to lower payroll for a billionaire that will not spend equal value on the free agent market.
None of them are really blocking anyone important either.
I doubt that strategy will work but you also have a nice Labor Day.2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 14:31 pmScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 11:26 amI've heard of it. Arenado makes $27 million next season. Unlikely any team would claim him off waivers and then the Cardinals pay the salary while getting no production. Gray makes $35 million. Same thing.2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 08:06 amHave you heard of releasing a player outright? DFA? Unless he agrees to whatever trade they can work out, it could happen. They aren't getting anything for him. They don't want him. They will pay a huge chunk of his salary to move him. Think Dexter Fowler.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:12 amPlease go into detail as to how you force a player to leave who has a no trade clause. Have you heard of the player's union?2ninr wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 07:06 amWe all know they have ntc. I predict that Arenado will be gone whatever that takes. Contreras i give it 90% chance he agrees to some kind of move. Even if that requires a buyout of his ntc. Gray could still be here 1 more year. But it’s not that bad considering our current starting pitching. 2027 is a team option for Gray.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑31 Aug 2025 06:38 am Arenado, Gray and Contreras have no trade clauses.
What's plan B?
It's possible a team would pick the remaining $36 million on Contreras over 2 seasons.
If no team picks them up that's $80 million we are paying a player not to play.
Fowler waived his no trade clause.
So will Arenado.
Nobody but you said anything about dfa with Contreras or Gray.
See the other bolded parts. I said Contreras gets traded and Gray stay here 1 more year. That makes Arenado the only real loss. And it's not a loss if he's not worth anything. The DFA is just a threat. He will agree to the trade to avoid that embarrassment. Have a good Labor day!