Army's report card from the assylum members

[Army's Mom]

What stats?

By % of draft picks who play NHL games, he's at least top third.
By overall win % since he was GM, the Blues are 5th.
By players traded away versus players acquired, he'd more than break even (Bokk and Rundblad turned into Faulk and Tarasenko, he traded Jori Lehtera for Brayden Schenn, Berglund, Sobotka, and Tage Thompson for Ryan O'Reilly, etc.). The only players of value he traded away were Thompson, Tarasenko, and Mikkola - Tage got us a Cup, and Tarasenko and Mikkola weren't re-signing.
You can argue he overplayed his hand on Petro and compounded that mistake by overpaying Krug. I'd agree. But that's one mistake, complicated by the COVID flat cap years.
You can argue he got too cute with the expansion draft. I'd agree in hindsight. At the time, though, I thought it was the right move.

Even if I concede he effed up Petro and the expansion draft, he's still a Top 5 GM leaguewide over the past 15 years, and easily better than anyone else in Blues history.

Generally agree with a couple of caveats.

On Petro, in the end it was the player's decision to walk away from a proposed deal. He had that right.

On the expansion draft, Army got cornered by a combination of the rules and Schwartz. The Blues were destined to lose a valuable asset in the draft, but should have only been one. The circumstances of the Schwartz signing made it appear to be a double-whammy, that would not have seemed quite so bad or unfair if Schwartz had signed with a different team.

On Krug, in fairness Army built a 109 point team in 21-22 and Krug was a part of that. How many Blues teams have matched or bettered 109 points, or scored 300 goals? Krug was beset by injuries and by perception he wasn't what the Blues really needed, and overpaid at that. When healthy he wasn't dragging the team down but he "came up short" defensively and to the eye test.

I agree, I was just being as generous as I could to the "Hate Army" crowd. In the end, Petro was almost certainly never going to get everything he wanted from this ownership group. And the Blues were always going to lose a good piece during the expansion process. I did forget just how good the Blues were with Krug that first year...

[DawgDad]

What stats?

By % of draft picks who play NHL games, he's at least top third.
By overall win % since he was GM, the Blues are 5th.
By players traded away versus players acquired, he'd more than break even (Bokk and Rundblad turned into Faulk and Tarasenko, he traded Jori Lehtera for Brayden Schenn, Berglund, Sobotka, and Tage Thompson for Ryan O'Reilly, etc.). The only players of value he traded away were Thompson, Tarasenko, and Mikkola - Tage got us a Cup, and Tarasenko and Mikkola weren't re-signing.
You can argue he overplayed his hand on Petro and compounded that mistake by overpaying Krug. I'd agree. But that's one mistake, complicated by the COVID flat cap years.
You can argue he got too cute with the expansion draft. I'd agree in hindsight. At the time, though, I thought it was the right move.

Even if I concede he effed up Petro and the expansion draft, he's still a Top 5 GM leaguewide over the past 15 years, and easily better than anyone else in Blues history.

Generally agree with a couple of caveats.

On Petro, in the end it was the player's decision to walk away from a proposed deal. He had that right.

On the expansion draft, Army got cornered by a combination of the rules and Schwartz. The Blues were destined to lose a valuable asset in the draft, but should have only been one. The circumstances of the Schwartz signing made it appear to be a double-whammy, that would not have seemed quite so bad or unfair if Schwartz had signed with a different team.

On Krug, in fairness Army built a 109 point team in 21-22 and Krug was a part of that. How many Blues teams have matched or bettered 109 points, or scored 300 goals? Krug was beset by injuries and by perception he wasn't what the Blues really needed, and overpaid at that. When healthy he wasn't dragging the team down but he "came up short" defensively and to the eye test.

I agree, I was just being as generous as I could to the "Hate Army" crowd. In the end, Petro was almost certainly never going to get everything he wanted from this ownership group. And the Blues were always going to lose a good piece during the expansion process. I did forget just how good the Blues were with Krug that first year...

The thing about the 21-22 season is the team had regressed to being an average defensive team. Pietrangelo leaving coupled with the reality of what Krug was bringing (with Husso and Sideburns covering for Binner in the regular season) left many disappointed, or aware of the defensive slippage. Actually, Krug was plus-23 in 64 games, but Perron and company garnered the credit (much deserved).

Of course that team was beating everyone's brains in offensively, and come playoff time the playoff Binner showed up. Until . . .

[STL fan in MN]

Of course that team was beating everyone's brains in offensively, and come playoff time the playoff Binner showed up. Until . . .

He swears it was an oopsie!!



(it was not an oopsie)

[DawgDad]

Of course that team was beating everyone's brains in offensively, and come playoff time the playoff Binner showed up. Until . . .

He swears it was an oopsie!!



(it was not an oopsie)

Where was Noel Picard when they needed him?

Let's face it, Army brought some great hockey and many memorable moments. He deserves the ac blades, but I'll be glad when the focus is back on the team on the ice.

[Cahokanut]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

[Army's Mom]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

Rofl.

Real Americans loathe facts.

[DawgDad]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

Rofl.

Real Americans loathe facts.

Rofl. Most real Americans don't even watch Canadians ice dance. Down here, if a jersey doesn't have an SEC logo or a race track has right turns it isn't a sport.

[TAFKAP]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

Bomac's Back Baby!!!!!!!! Now we can expect "Army's Oilmen" comments. Smoking and posting doesn't do you any good my dude.

It shouldn't be Puff, Puff, Post, it should be Puff, Puff, Logoff.

[TBone]

Lets get a consensus of what we feel army deserves as a grade.

I would say all in all i rate army as a b+ gm and with the stanley cup he won curves him to A-

Great thread idea. I agree: A-

His only lasting blemish concerns his vision of the defensive corps after winning the Stanley Cup. The decision to go with smaller players who were supposed to be better puck movers (Faulk, Krug) was a hot disaster. He let his ego get the best of him with Alex Pietrangelo, although it takes two to tango so Petro is equally to blame. And fate played into it when Jay Bouwmeester was forced into retirement and the endless chase to replace him unfolded.

Otherwise he assembled a top flight organization identifying and securing top flight coaches and a scouting staff that continues to unearth good to great players regardless of their draft position. He had the balls to be daring in signing Broberg and Holloway and is now leaving his role with the Blues on the precipice of what could be their most exciting window in decades.

How can a real Blues fan not be forever pleased? It's been a helluva fun ride!

[SRV1990]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

Bomac's Back Baby!!!!!!!! Now we can expect "Army's Oilmen" comments. Smoking and posting doesn't do you any good my dude.

It shouldn't be Puff, Puff, Post, it should be Puff, Puff, Logoff.

I knew I recognized that incoherent rambling! He's such a tool.

[TAFKAP]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

Bomac's Back Baby!!!!!!!! Now we can expect "Army's Oilmen" comments. Smoking and posting doesn't do you any good my dude.

It shouldn't be Puff, Puff, Post, it should be Puff, Puff, Logoff.

I knew I recognized that incoherent rambling! He's such a tool.

Yeah, but compared to some of the newer ones, I mind him less.

[LewisL]

A

[Cahokanut]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

Rofl.

Real Americans loathe facts.

Rofl. Most real Americans don't even watch Canadians ice dance. Down here, if a jersey doesn't have an SEC logo or a race track has right turns it isn't a sport.

You did a bunch of name calling, over facts.

Does it bother you that you use our win total over Army's tenure as what makes Army great. And facts show the opposite. Or no.

[DawgDad]

The team built before Army did very well. Those first five years were some of the best. As that team left and Army's team was iced. This team win percentage has been worse and worse with each additional five years.

I give little credit for the cup.
Outside of telling the hockey world this team was contractors and everyone was being made available.

While people "feel" and others that one Cup.
Stats say, he sucks.

Yep, you're right, all of us are wrong.

I rightly pointed at the stats.
You a feel'er or a CM.

I'm a Blues fan. Long time, lot's of historical perspective. I don't agree with your take, your general interpretation and twisting of the facts. You will not influence my take on Army's tenure regardless of what you post.

I've enjoyed reading other people's views on Army's tenure with the Blues, none of which triggered me because I'm not pushing a negative contrarian agenda. You convey no appreciation or true understanding of all these opinions, only dismissal and disdain. Enjoy your island of darkness.

It's hilarious when a tool such as Nut uses the word "facts" in a post, when in reality, facts matter little to someone with such a weak mind as Nut or smelly (donkey). They deal in trolling emotions and don't give two [censored] about facts. There are lots of great posters on here who do deal in facts and actually have knowledge of the game. Those two idiots are completely at the other end of that spectrum.

Speaking of spectrum. You blow hard for army. Just like others

Here's fsome stats/facts
2010-2015
Blues were 4 in wins with 259.
From 2016-2020
Blues were 6 in wins with 226
From 2021-2025
Blues were 15 in wins with 200.

The more the Blues traded, signed, and picked up Army's squad. The more we lost.

He was given a team that was at top of the league.
Now. On the bubble.
Guess what troll. Army did that.
Now believe whatever your gullible (bleep) want to believe.
I'm a real american. I like facts.

Rofl.

Real Americans loathe facts.

Rofl. Most real Americans don't even watch Canadians ice dance. Down here, if a jersey doesn't have an SEC logo or a race track has right turns it isn't a sport.

You did a bunch of name calling, over facts.

Does it bother you that you use our win total over Army's tenure as what makes Army great. And facts show the opposite. Or no.

I didn't call you names. You must have me confused with some other poster.

Army has been a great GM for the Blues. There is a Cup and a grading thread in this forum recently wherein the vast majority of posters agree. Not arguing this further, I've posted my thoughts on the matter and you cannot change them.

[larueskee]

Army has had some ups and downs. Contracts might be a weakness but trades and the restricted move has me on the positive side.

[sdaltons]

Looks like we've got a poster here who is upset they weren't invited to one of Army's BBQs!