STL fan in MN wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 09:45 am
I’m curious on your thoughts on Corey ranking Korchinski above Rinzel. Personally, I see absolutely no rational reasoning for that. I’d also have Nestrašil and Vanacker solidly higher too.
Rinzel is a level ahead of KK. He also has Ethan Del Mastro and Lardis as honorable mentions - I would have them and maybe Wyatt Kaiser on the list over Allan, Dach, Greene and West.
Pronman has never been high on Nazar and he finally came around on him:
“Nazar’s first pro season went about as well as you could have hoped for. He was excellent in the AHL, being one of the best players in that league in the first half. He was called up to Chicago, where he was solid in the NHL, and then was a critical part of Team USA winning gold at the World Championships. Nazar has a very likable style of play. He’s full of speed and energy. He has a high skill level and creates offense, but does so in a direct, translatable way to the NHL.”
seattleblue wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:10 pm
I find this list laughable. Like awesomely bad. Well done Corey
It’s absolute garbage. Which unfortunately, is par for the course from Corey. He’s a hack plain and simple. I might actually disrespect his work more than Dom Luszczyszyn, which is saying something because Dom is just absolutely the worst.
Jiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
I remember when Corey was collaborating with Nate not that many years after Nate and I started 538. Corey tweeted something (thank goodness I've dropped social media the past few years) and I slipped in a little "good luck with Nate" type reply and he went stone cold silent lmfao.
John Cocktoastin wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 22:01 pm
They have a solid system but not sure we have enough?
Who is sure anybody's system has enough?
I do know we had an NHL-high nine prospects in the World Juniors with five winning medals. I'll take Dvorsky, Pekarcik, Stancl, Jiricek, Jecho, Ralph, Stenberg and Lindstein any day of the week. Did he factor that in? Obviously not.
A little lazy analysis. But whatever.
Yes sir. Once again... "Also far-and-away the highest number of impactful prospects whom were objectively recognized by others and were well up the stats sheets at the last couple of World Juniors Tournaments."
Kind of what the ShowMe thing is all about.
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 09:45 am
I’m curious on your thoughts on Corey ranking Korchinski above Rinzel. Personally, I see absolutely no rational reasoning for that. I’d also have Nestrašil and Vanacker solidly higher too.
Rinzel is a level ahead of KK. He also has Ethan Del Mastro and Lardis as honorable mentions - I would have them and maybe Wyatt Kaiser on the list over Allan, Dach, Greene and West.
Pronman has never been high on Nazar and he finally came around on him:
“Nazar’s first pro season went about as well as you could have hoped for. He was excellent in the AHL, being one of the best players in that league in the first half. He was called up to Chicago, where he was solid in the NHL, and then was a critical part of Team USA winning gold at the World Championships. Nazar has a very likable style of play. He’s full of speed and energy. He has a high skill level and creates offense, but does so in a direct, translatable way to the NHL.”
Frank should be above Frondell
I’d still have Frondell above Nazar but I can see your reasoning given Nazar being 3 years farther along on the development curve. Agree Lardis should be higher. He’s going to be a player IMO. Not one of your top ones but he brings enough skill with that top end speed to make an impact for sure.
seattleblue wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:10 pm
I find this list laughable. Like awesomely bad. Well done Corey
It’s absolute garbage. Which unfortunately, is par for the course from Corey. He’s a hack plain and simple. I might actually disrespect his work more than Dom Luszczyszyn, which is saying something because Dom is just absolutely the worst.
Jiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
I remember when Corey was collaborating with Nate not that many years after Nate and I started 538. Corey tweeted something (thank goodness I've dropped social media the past few years) and I slipped in a little "good luck with Nate" type reply and he went stone cold silent lmfao.
I might be the only one here that knows which Nate you’re talking about lol…but what abomination of a collaboration were he and Pronman working on together??
SRV1990 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 16:02 pm
What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.
I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.
He’s referring to smelly, not you..
Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.
I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?
It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:40 pmJiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.
That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.
At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.
The takeaway from all of this for me is this...
As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.
The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?
We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.
You’ve been parroting this same nonsensical line for months now - that for some reason, Army not going into some long winded, detailed speech on the 2023 draft prospects in the same end of season presser in which he declared the “re-whatever” over, for some reason means he thinks it yielded nothing. It makes no sense and quite frankly dude, is stupid.
Why in the world would Army randomly go into some detail on the 2023 draft class at that time? He was talking high level direction of the team. He made a high level reference to the reinforcements on the way (many of which come from the 2023 draft). Who gives a flying fudge he provided NO SUMMARY for your delicate little ears? He doesn’t need to.
Whenever Army said the re-whatever was over, that clearly got you shook. Your mind has been beyond frazzled ever since. I suggest seeking help.
I mean, clearly by now you’ve noticed none of us here agree with you, right? You start a thread about Army’s 5% comment and ask if others agree with you that Army/the Blues will fail at that. Everyone disagrees with you. Then there’s a thread grading Army. Pretty much everyone gives him an A. The man has flaws and has made mistakes but you’re so caught up in the weeds that you’re clearly failing to see the big picture of what Army has done over his tenure, what he’s accomplished lately and how rosy the future looks.
In the end, if you really hate the direction of the team that much, I suggest finding a different one to follow. SJ and Chicago have the young top-5 picks you’re craving.
Another team is not an option. You can count on me to gripe until things improve for St Louis. By that, I mean until St Louis fans reap the same rewards from the NHL that other NHL cities get.
SRV1990 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 16:02 pm
What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.
I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.
He’s referring to smelly, not you..
Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.
I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?
It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:40 pmJiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.
That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.
At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.
The takeaway from all of this for me is this...
As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.
The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?
We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.
You’ve been parroting this same nonsensical line for months now - that for some reason, Army not going into some long winded, detailed speech on the 2023 draft prospects in the same end of season presser in which he declared the “re-whatever” over, for some reason means he thinks it yielded nothing. It makes no sense and quite frankly dude, is stupid.
Why in the world would Army randomly go into some detail on the 2023 draft class at that time? He was talking high level direction of the team. He made a high level reference to the reinforcements on the way (many of which come from the 2023 draft). Who gives a flying fudge he provided NO SUMMARY for your delicate little ears? He doesn’t need to.
Whenever Army said the re-whatever was over, that clearly got you shook. Your mind has been beyond frazzled ever since. I suggest seeking help.
I mean, clearly by now you’ve noticed none of us here agree with you, right? You start a thread about Army’s 5% comment and ask if others agree with you that Army/the Blues will fail at that. Everyone disagrees with you. Then there’s a thread grading Army. Pretty much everyone gives him an A. The man has flaws and has made mistakes but you’re so caught up in the weeds that you’re clearly failing to see the big picture of what Army has done over his tenure, what he’s accomplished lately and how rosy the future looks.
In the end, if you really hate the direction of the team that much, I suggest finding a different one to follow. SJ and Chicago have the young top-5 picks you’re craving.
Another team is not an option. You can count on me to gripe until things improve for St Louis. By that, I mean until St Louis fans reap the same rewards from the NHL that other NHL cities get.
SRV1990 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 16:02 pm
What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.
I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.
He’s referring to smelly, not you..
Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.
I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?
It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:40 pmJiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.
That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.
At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.
The takeaway from all of this for me is this...
As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.
The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?
We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.
You’ve been parroting this same nonsensical line for months now - that for some reason, Army not going into some long winded, detailed speech on the 2023 draft prospects in the same end of season presser in which he declared the “re-whatever” over, for some reason means he thinks it yielded nothing. It makes no sense and quite frankly dude, is stupid.
Why in the world would Army randomly go into some detail on the 2023 draft class at that time? He was talking high level direction of the team. He made a high level reference to the reinforcements on the way (many of which come from the 2023 draft). Who gives a flying fudge he provided NO SUMMARY for your delicate little ears? He doesn’t need to.
Whenever Army said the re-whatever was over, that clearly got you shook. Your mind has been beyond frazzled ever since. I suggest seeking help.
I mean, clearly by now you’ve noticed none of us here agree with you, right? You start a thread about Army’s 5% comment and ask if others agree with you that Army/the Blues will fail at that. Everyone disagrees with you. Then there’s a thread grading Army. Pretty much everyone gives him an A. The man has flaws and has made mistakes but you’re so caught up in the weeds that you’re clearly failing to see the big picture of what Army has done over his tenure, what he’s accomplished lately and how rosy the future looks.
In the end, if you really hate the direction of the team that much, I suggest finding a different one to follow. SJ and Chicago have the young top-5 picks you’re craving.
Another team is not an option. You can count on me to gripe until things improve for St Louis. By that, I mean until St Louis fans reap the same rewards from the NHL that other NHL cities get.
Buckle up.
I'm here to sway minds, not gain friends. . No one else is speaking up for St Louis, so I'm going to do it.
SRV1990 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 16:02 pm
What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.
I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.
He’s referring to smelly, not you..
Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.
I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?
It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:40 pmJiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.
That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.
At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.
The takeaway from all of this for me is this...
As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.
The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?
We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.
You’ve been parroting this same nonsensical line for months now - that for some reason, Army not going into some long winded, detailed speech on the 2023 draft prospects in the same end of season presser in which he declared the “re-whatever” over, for some reason means he thinks it yielded nothing. It makes no sense and quite frankly dude, is stupid.
Why in the world would Army randomly go into some detail on the 2023 draft class at that time? He was talking high level direction of the team. He made a high level reference to the reinforcements on the way (many of which come from the 2023 draft). Who gives a flying fudge he provided NO SUMMARY for your delicate little ears? He doesn’t need to.
Whenever Army said the re-whatever was over, that clearly got you shook. Your mind has been beyond frazzled ever since. I suggest seeking help.
I mean, clearly by now you’ve noticed none of us here agree with you, right? You start a thread about Army’s 5% comment and ask if others agree with you that Army/the Blues will fail at that. Everyone disagrees with you. Then there’s a thread grading Army. Pretty much everyone gives him an A. The man has flaws and has made mistakes but you’re so caught up in the weeds that you’re clearly failing to see the big picture of what Army has done over his tenure, what he’s accomplished lately and how rosy the future looks.
In the end, if you really hate the direction of the team that much, I suggest finding a different one to follow. SJ and Chicago have the young top-5 picks you’re craving.
Another team is not an option. You can count on me to gripe until things improve for St Louis. By that, I mean until St Louis fans reap the same rewards from the NHL that other NHL cities get.
Buckle up.
I'm here to sway minds, not gain friends. . No one else is speaking up for St Louis, so I'm going to do it.
SRV1990 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 16:02 pm
What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.
I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.
He’s referring to smelly, not you..
Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.
I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?
It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:40 pmJiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.
That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.
At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.
The takeaway from all of this for me is this...
As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.
The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?
We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.
You’ve been parroting this same nonsensical line for months now - that for some reason, Army not going into some long winded, detailed speech on the 2023 draft prospects in the same end of season presser in which he declared the “re-whatever” over, for some reason means he thinks it yielded nothing. It makes no sense and quite frankly dude, is stupid.
Why in the world would Army randomly go into some detail on the 2023 draft class at that time? He was talking high level direction of the team. He made a high level reference to the reinforcements on the way (many of which come from the 2023 draft). Who gives a flying fudge he provided NO SUMMARY for your delicate little ears? He doesn’t need to.
Whenever Army said the re-whatever was over, that clearly got you shook. Your mind has been beyond frazzled ever since. I suggest seeking help.
I mean, clearly by now you’ve noticed none of us here agree with you, right? You start a thread about Army’s 5% comment and ask if others agree with you that Army/the Blues will fail at that. Everyone disagrees with you. Then there’s a thread grading Army. Pretty much everyone gives him an A. The man has flaws and has made mistakes but you’re so caught up in the weeds that you’re clearly failing to see the big picture of what Army has done over his tenure, what he’s accomplished lately and how rosy the future looks.
In the end, if you really hate the direction of the team that much, I suggest finding a different one to follow. SJ and Chicago have the young top-5 picks you’re craving.
Another team is not an option. You can count on me to gripe until things improve for St Louis. By that, I mean until St Louis fans reap the same rewards from the NHL that other NHL cities get.
Buckle up.
I'm here to sway minds, not gain friends. . No one else is speaking up for St Louis, so I'm going to do it.
How’s the swaying of minds going so far for you?
Pay attention to how my posts are replied to. They attack me, and they very seldom say why my ideas are wrong.
Based on that, I'd say that I'm doing exceptionally well.
Pronman still ranking Snuggerud's skating as below average and talking about his foot speed being an issue tells me all I need to know. Snuggerud had poor skating and bad foot speed going into his draft year but was vastly improved by the time the draft came around. Now his skating is at least above average. Saying anything else tells me he's just making [shirt] up based on old scouting reports
billybaseball wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 12:01 pm
Pronman still ranking Snuggerud's skating as below average and talking about his foot speed being an issue tells me all I need to know. Snuggerud had poor skating and bad foot speed going into his draft year but was vastly improved by the time the draft came around. Now his skating is at least above average. Saying anything else tells me he's just making [shirt] up based on old scouting reports
In addition, it is truly pitiful this hack is centering a handful of games in October 2023 where Dvorsky was used awkwardly on a SHL team as a reason that he is a fading prospect. Dvorsky since that time played outstanding hockey in the OHL and the AHL. But Corey is not capable of adjusting, not being able to adjust is true weakness in the game he's in. Corey Pronman is pathetic presenting himself as someone capable of doing this work; he cannot do it, flat out
SRV1990 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 16:02 pm
What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.
I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.
He’s referring to smelly, not you..
Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.
I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?
It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…
STL fan in MN wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025 12:40 pmJiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.
Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.
Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!
Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.
Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.
If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.
That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.
At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.
The takeaway from all of this for me is this...
As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.
The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?
We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.
You’ve been parroting this same nonsensical line for months now - that for some reason, Army not going into some long winded, detailed speech on the 2023 draft prospects in the same end of season presser in which he declared the “re-whatever” over, for some reason means he thinks it yielded nothing. It makes no sense and quite frankly dude, is stupid.
Why in the world would Army randomly go into some detail on the 2023 draft class at that time? He was talking high level direction of the team. He made a high level reference to the reinforcements on the way (many of which come from the 2023 draft). Who gives a flying fudge he provided NO SUMMARY for your delicate little ears? He doesn’t need to.
Whenever Army said the re-whatever was over, that clearly got you shook. Your mind has been beyond frazzled ever since. I suggest seeking help.
I mean, clearly by now you’ve noticed none of us here agree with you, right? You start a thread about Army’s 5% comment and ask if others agree with you that Army/the Blues will fail at that. Everyone disagrees with you. Then there’s a thread grading Army. Pretty much everyone gives him an A. The man has flaws and has made mistakes but you’re so caught up in the weeds that you’re clearly failing to see the big picture of what Army has done over his tenure, what he’s accomplished lately and how rosy the future looks.
In the end, if you really hate the direction of the team that much, I suggest finding a different one to follow. SJ and Chicago have the young top-5 picks you’re craving.
Another team is not an option. You can count on me to gripe until things improve for St Louis. By that, I mean until St Louis fans reap the same rewards from the NHL that other NHL cities get.
Buckle up.
I'm here to sway minds, not gain friends. . No one else is speaking up for St Louis, so I'm going to do it.
How’s the swaying of minds going so far for you?
Pay attention to how my posts are replied to. They attack me, and they very seldom say why my ideas are wrong.
Based on that, I'd say that I'm doing exceptionally well.
Ok, fine. Your ideas are very, very wrong. People have been telling you that since you got here. Yet you keep parroting them. This has caused some to get so annoyed with your constant spamming of this board with the same cr@p to attack you personally instead of your ideas. Because they’ve told you, repeatedly I might add, that your ideas are garbage, unfounded, nonsensical and oftentimes downright not based in reality.
