Army’s Report Card today - C+

[DoneLurking]

Don’t kill the messenger.

According to Corey Pronman NY Times

The Blues have drafted a lot of quality forwards in recent years, led by Dalibor Dvorský and Jimmy Snuggerud. They have a solid system, but for a team that’s hanging around playoff bubble status, I’m not convinced there’s enough coming to elevate their club to the next level.

2024 ranking: 16

2025 NHL Draft grade: C+

Noted that you have made both a big deal out of the 2023 draft as some kind of failure, and Corey's draft grades as if one draft is definitive of the GM's job as a whole at all.

In 2023 Corey gave the Blues draft a B+ writing:

St. Louis Blues: B+
With three firsts, including a 10th overall, you should get players, and the Blues did. Dalibor Dvorsky is a potential top two line center for them in a few years. Otto Stenberg, Theo Lindstein, and Juraj Pekarcik all have real chances to play in the NHL too. They could get two NHL regulars from this group, maybe three.

In Corey's 2023 prospect rankings the Blues jumped from 29 to 18.

In 2022 Corey gave the Blues a draft grade of B.

The burr in your saddle, the 2024 draft, Corey gave them a B, and wrote:
St. Louis Blues: B
The Blues had a clear theme to their draft. They drafted size and skating and brought a bunch of top-end athletes into their farm system. Adam Jiricek, their first pick, looks like a top-four NHL defenseman. Ondrej Kos was trending to being a clear top-two-round pick earlier this season before he had health issues that derailed his season. Adam Jecho fell after being a touted player in recent years, but I see a path for him to the NHL. I don’t think the stat line on a lot of these prospects will excite, but I could see multiple NHL regulars coming from the Blues’ class. Matvei Korotky has a lot of potential as a seventh-round pick, too, with how well he played in the MHL playoffs.


You don't actually agree with Pronman. You just like that you think he somewhat supported your messianic campaign, despite the fact that you misrepresented what he most recently wrote.

You know who doesn't say much about our 3 2023 Round 1 prospects? Douglas Army. That alone should tell you everything.

Face it. The 3 Round 1 selections may make our Blues roster, but they are all average NHL players, at best. That is not what I wanted. That is not what the Blues need.

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain

Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

[a smell of green grass]

Don’t kill the messenger.

According to Corey Pronman NY Times

The Blues have drafted a lot of quality forwards in recent years, led by Dalibor Dvorský and Jimmy Snuggerud. They have a solid system, but for a team that’s hanging around playoff bubble status, I’m not convinced there’s enough coming to elevate their club to the next level.

2024 ranking: 16

2025 NHL Draft grade: C+

Noted that you have made both a big deal out of the 2023 draft as some kind of failure, and Corey's draft grades as if one draft is definitive of the GM's job as a whole at all.

In 2023 Corey gave the Blues draft a B+ writing:

St. Louis Blues: B+
With three firsts, including a 10th overall, you should get players, and the Blues did. Dalibor Dvorsky is a potential top two line center for them in a few years. Otto Stenberg, Theo Lindstein, and Juraj Pekarcik all have real chances to play in the NHL too. They could get two NHL regulars from this group, maybe three.

In Corey's 2023 prospect rankings the Blues jumped from 29 to 18.

In 2022 Corey gave the Blues a draft grade of B.

The burr in your saddle, the 2024 draft, Corey gave them a B, and wrote:
St. Louis Blues: B
The Blues had a clear theme to their draft. They drafted size and skating and brought a bunch of top-end athletes into their farm system. Adam Jiricek, their first pick, looks like a top-four NHL defenseman. Ondrej Kos was trending to being a clear top-two-round pick earlier this season before he had health issues that derailed his season. Adam Jecho fell after being a touted player in recent years, but I see a path for him to the NHL. I don’t think the stat line on a lot of these prospects will excite, but I could see multiple NHL regulars coming from the Blues’ class. Matvei Korotky has a lot of potential as a seventh-round pick, too, with how well he played in the MHL playoffs.


You don't actually agree with Pronman. You just like that you think he somewhat supported your messianic campaign, despite the fact that you misrepresented what he most recently wrote.

You know who doesn't say much about our 3 2023 Round 1 prospects? Douglas Army. That alone should tell you everything.

Face it. The 3 Round 1 selections may make our Blues roster, but they are all average NHL players, at best. That is not what I wanted. That is not what the Blues need.

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain

Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

The only draft prospect that he is excited about is Snuggerud.

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Take a gander at the Stanley Cup MVPs, and compare that list with the TOP 5 draft picks.


Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain
Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

Don't understand this question.

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

[DoneLurking]

Don’t kill the messenger.

According to Corey Pronman NY Times

The Blues have drafted a lot of quality forwards in recent years, led by Dalibor Dvorský and Jimmy Snuggerud. They have a solid system, but for a team that’s hanging around playoff bubble status, I’m not convinced there’s enough coming to elevate their club to the next level.

2024 ranking: 16

2025 NHL Draft grade: C+

Noted that you have made both a big deal out of the 2023 draft as some kind of failure, and Corey's draft grades as if one draft is definitive of the GM's job as a whole at all.

In 2023 Corey gave the Blues draft a B+ writing:

St. Louis Blues: B+
With three firsts, including a 10th overall, you should get players, and the Blues did. Dalibor Dvorsky is a potential top two line center for them in a few years. Otto Stenberg, Theo Lindstein, and Juraj Pekarcik all have real chances to play in the NHL too. They could get two NHL regulars from this group, maybe three.

In Corey's 2023 prospect rankings the Blues jumped from 29 to 18.

In 2022 Corey gave the Blues a draft grade of B.

The burr in your saddle, the 2024 draft, Corey gave them a B, and wrote:
St. Louis Blues: B
The Blues had a clear theme to their draft. They drafted size and skating and brought a bunch of top-end athletes into their farm system. Adam Jiricek, their first pick, looks like a top-four NHL defenseman. Ondrej Kos was trending to being a clear top-two-round pick earlier this season before he had health issues that derailed his season. Adam Jecho fell after being a touted player in recent years, but I see a path for him to the NHL. I don’t think the stat line on a lot of these prospects will excite, but I could see multiple NHL regulars coming from the Blues’ class. Matvei Korotky has a lot of potential as a seventh-round pick, too, with how well he played in the MHL playoffs.


You don't actually agree with Pronman. You just like that you think he somewhat supported your messianic campaign, despite the fact that you misrepresented what he most recently wrote.

You know who doesn't say much about our 3 2023 Round 1 prospects? Douglas Army. That alone should tell you everything.

Face it. The 3 Round 1 selections may make our Blues roster, but they are all average NHL players, at best. That is not what I wanted. That is not what the Blues need.

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain

Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

The only draft prospect that he is excited about is Snuggerud.

I noticed you didn't provide a quote. But I'm curious why you think a GM who doesn't speak about his draft classes with any regularity, in this case Armstrong, not saying anything about a particular draft class, in this case the 2023 draft class, proves anything.

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Take a gander at the Stanley Cup MVPs, and compare that list with the TOP 5 draft picks.
That doesn't answer the question. You claim that since Doug Armstrong doesn't discuss the 2023 draft class that must mean it's a failure. You can give no example of either Armstrong discussing any draft class, including any that led to the 2019 Cup championship, nor can you give an example of any other GM discussing a draft class leading to their Stanley Cups. The whole point is unfounded, and arbitrary to bolster an argument that is only valid in your head. But to meet you on your imagined battlefield:

In the cap era, the list of Conn Smyth winners by draft position TOP5 or not TOP5 is as follows
NOT TOP 5: 9 players

TOP5: 11 players.

This isn't the point you think you're making, unless the point you're making is that a TOP5 pick is only slightly more likely to win the Conn Smythe, But since one of those 11 was actually a losing player in McDavid,, it's 9 versus 10 for cup winning Conn Smythe winners. Good try.



Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain
Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

Don't understand this question.

Yes you do. But to re-explain. Since the Blues didn't pick in the TOP5 in 2023, why are you so upset with the result of the draft anyway?


I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Cute. Notice, how I actually answered the questions and provided proof? You should try it.

[a smell of green grass]

Don’t kill the messenger.

According to Corey Pronman NY Times

The Blues have drafted a lot of quality forwards in recent years, led by Dalibor Dvorský and Jimmy Snuggerud. They have a solid system, but for a team that’s hanging around playoff bubble status, I’m not convinced there’s enough coming to elevate their club to the next level.

2024 ranking: 16

2025 NHL Draft grade: C+

Noted that you have made both a big deal out of the 2023 draft as some kind of failure, and Corey's draft grades as if one draft is definitive of the GM's job as a whole at all.

In 2023 Corey gave the Blues draft a B+ writing:

St. Louis Blues: B+
With three firsts, including a 10th overall, you should get players, and the Blues did. Dalibor Dvorsky is a potential top two line center for them in a few years. Otto Stenberg, Theo Lindstein, and Juraj Pekarcik all have real chances to play in the NHL too. They could get two NHL regulars from this group, maybe three.

In Corey's 2023 prospect rankings the Blues jumped from 29 to 18.

In 2022 Corey gave the Blues a draft grade of B.

The burr in your saddle, the 2024 draft, Corey gave them a B, and wrote:
St. Louis Blues: B
The Blues had a clear theme to their draft. They drafted size and skating and brought a bunch of top-end athletes into their farm system. Adam Jiricek, their first pick, looks like a top-four NHL defenseman. Ondrej Kos was trending to being a clear top-two-round pick earlier this season before he had health issues that derailed his season. Adam Jecho fell after being a touted player in recent years, but I see a path for him to the NHL. I don’t think the stat line on a lot of these prospects will excite, but I could see multiple NHL regulars coming from the Blues’ class. Matvei Korotky has a lot of potential as a seventh-round pick, too, with how well he played in the MHL playoffs.


You don't actually agree with Pronman. You just like that you think he somewhat supported your messianic campaign, despite the fact that you misrepresented what he most recently wrote.

You know who doesn't say much about our 3 2023 Round 1 prospects? Douglas Army. That alone should tell you everything.

Face it. The 3 Round 1 selections may make our Blues roster, but they are all average NHL players, at best. That is not what I wanted. That is not what the Blues need.

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain

Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

The only draft prospect that he is excited about is Snuggerud.

I noticed you didn't provide a quote. But I'm curious why you think a GM who doesn't speak about his draft classes with any regularity, in this case Armstrong, not saying anything about a particular draft class, in this case the 2023 draft class, proves anything.

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Take a gander at the Stanley Cup MVPs, and compare that list with the TOP 5 draft picks.
That doesn't answer the question. You claim that since Doug Armstrong doesn't discuss the 2023 draft class that must mean it's a failure. You can give no example of either Armstrong discussing any draft class, including any that led to the 2019 Cup championship, nor can you give an example of any other GM discussing a draft class leading to their Stanley Cups. The whole point is unfounded, and arbitrary to bolster an argument that is only valid in your head. But to meet you on your imagined battlefield:

In the cap era, the list of Conn Smyth winners by draft position TOP5 or not TOP5 is as follows
NOT TOP 5: 9 players

TOP5: 11 players.

This isn't the point you think you're making, unless the point you're making is that a TOP5 pick is only slightly more likely to win the Conn Smythe, But since one of those 11 was actually a losing player in McDavid,, it's 9 versus 10 for cup winning Conn Smythe winners. Good try.



Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain
Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

Don't understand this question.

Yes you do. But to re-explain. Since the Blues didn't pick in the TOP5 in 2023, why are you so upset with the result of the draft anyway?


I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Cute. Notice, how I actually answered the questions and provided proof? You should try it.

The Blues are the only team in the NHL (or maybe few) that does not have at least one TOP5 that they selected on the roster. Florida and Edmonton have 2.

Further, the Blues have had 1 TOP 10 pick in 20 years as well. Why do the Blues always draft 15 or lower? The answer to this question is what irks me. Are the Blues a perennial powerhouse? Hell no. They are average at best. They select 15 or lower BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO. The Blues "stay competitive" until the very last puck drop. Other teams don't "force" late season wins like the Blues. Other teams don't bring in desperate veterans to win a few more games every year. Take a look at what separates the Blues from the other teams picking ahead of them year after year. The Blues have 1,2, or 3 more points than 6 teams picking ahead of them in the draft.

The Blues tell us that that is all fine. Army will tell us that we don't need to pick higher in the draft. 2023 draft results PROVES that this is [nonsense]. 2023 was full of talent, the Blues had 3 picks, and we brought average players to the roster. None of them are close to even making the roster. That's not going to cut it. That is not going to put a Crosby, McDavid, or Ovechkin on the back of my jersey.

I want for St Louis, what other cities have. Pittsburg has enjoyed Crosby, Malkin, and Lemiuex. That is what I want.

[INBF715]

Don’t kill the messenger.

According to Corey Pronman NY Times

The Blues have drafted a lot of quality forwards in recent years, led by Dalibor Dvorský and Jimmy Snuggerud. They have a solid system, but for a team that’s hanging around playoff bubble status, I’m not convinced there’s enough coming to elevate their club to the next level.

2024 ranking: 16

2025 NHL Draft grade: C+

Noted that you have made both a big deal out of the 2023 draft as some kind of failure, and Corey's draft grades as if one draft is definitive of the GM's job as a whole at all.

In 2023 Corey gave the Blues draft a B+ writing:

St. Louis Blues: B+
With three firsts, including a 10th overall, you should get players, and the Blues did. Dalibor Dvorsky is a potential top two line center for them in a few years. Otto Stenberg, Theo Lindstein, and Juraj Pekarcik all have real chances to play in the NHL too. They could get two NHL regulars from this group, maybe three.

In Corey's 2023 prospect rankings the Blues jumped from 29 to 18.

In 2022 Corey gave the Blues a draft grade of B.

The burr in your saddle, the 2024 draft, Corey gave them a B, and wrote:
St. Louis Blues: B
The Blues had a clear theme to their draft. They drafted size and skating and brought a bunch of top-end athletes into their farm system. Adam Jiricek, their first pick, looks like a top-four NHL defenseman. Ondrej Kos was trending to being a clear top-two-round pick earlier this season before he had health issues that derailed his season. Adam Jecho fell after being a touted player in recent years, but I see a path for him to the NHL. I don’t think the stat line on a lot of these prospects will excite, but I could see multiple NHL regulars coming from the Blues’ class. Matvei Korotky has a lot of potential as a seventh-round pick, too, with how well he played in the MHL playoffs.


You don't actually agree with Pronman. You just like that you think he somewhat supported your messianic campaign, despite the fact that you misrepresented what he most recently wrote.

You know who doesn't say much about our 3 2023 Round 1 prospects? Douglas Army. That alone should tell you everything.

Face it. The 3 Round 1 selections may make our Blues roster, but they are all average NHL players, at best. That is not what I wanted. That is not what the Blues need.

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain

Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

The only draft prospect that he is excited about is Snuggerud.

I noticed you didn't provide a quote. But I'm curious why you think a GM who doesn't speak about his draft classes with any regularity, in this case Armstrong, not saying anything about a particular draft class, in this case the 2023 draft class, proves anything.

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Take a gander at the Stanley Cup MVPs, and compare that list with the TOP 5 draft picks.
That doesn't answer the question. You claim that since Doug Armstrong doesn't discuss the 2023 draft class that must mean it's a failure. You can give no example of either Armstrong discussing any draft class, including any that led to the 2019 Cup championship, nor can you give an example of any other GM discussing a draft class leading to their Stanley Cups. The whole point is unfounded, and arbitrary to bolster an argument that is only valid in your head. But to meet you on your imagined battlefield:

In the cap era, the list of Conn Smyth winners by draft position TOP5 or not TOP5 is as follows
NOT TOP 5: 9 players

TOP5: 11 players.

This isn't the point you think you're making, unless the point you're making is that a TOP5 pick is only slightly more likely to win the Conn Smythe, But since one of those 11 was actually a losing player in McDavid,, it's 9 versus 10 for cup winning Conn Smythe winners. Good try.



Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain
Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

Don't understand this question.

Yes you do. But to re-explain. Since the Blues didn't pick in the TOP5 in 2023, why are you so upset with the result of the draft anyway?


I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Cute. Notice, how I actually answered the questions and provided proof? You should try it.

The Blues are the only team in the NHL (or maybe few) that does not have at least one TOP5 that they selected on the roster. Florida and Edmonton have 2.

Further, the Blues have had 1 TOP 10 pick in 20 years as well. Why do the Blues always draft 15 or lower? The answer to this question is what irks me. Are the Blues a perennial powerhouse? Hell no. They are average at best. They select 15 or lower BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO. The Blues "stay competitive" until the very last puck drop. Other teams don't "force" late season wins like the Blues. Other teams don't bring in desperate veterans to win a few more games every year. Take a look at what separates the Blues from the other teams picking ahead of them year after year. The Blues have 1,2, or 3 more points than 6 teams picking ahead of them in the draft.

The Blues tell us that that is all fine. Army will tell us that we don't need to pick higher in the draft. 2023 draft results PROVES that this is [nonsense]. 2023 was full of talent, the Blues had 3 picks, and we brought average players to the roster. None of them are close to even making the roster. That's not going to cut it. That is not going to put a Crosby, McDavid, or Ovechkin on the back of my jersey.

I want for St Louis, what other cities have. Pittsburg has enjoyed Crosby, Malkin, and Lemiuex. That is what I want.

The Blues have had actually 3 top 10 picks in the last 20 years. Dvorsky 10nth, 2023, Pietrangelo 4th, 2008 & Johnson 1rst, 2006.

IMO, this speaks to consistency of Armstrong as a GM, since 2/3 were not under his watch and we have a Cup we aren’t giving back.

[Cahokanut]

To be honest. I gave up on that draft when them boys were 16.

So from everything I've seen. It looks like we did just fine. With the first rd pick. If you were judging a total draft. A second rd pick has to be judged. Thinking that you can't judge the draft unless you follow the projection of any player or pick that's traded is just wrong.
In reality the C+ makes sense and is about right.

This doesn't show the Grassmans agenda. It shows the agenda and bias of this gang of Army onlyfan premium buyers, that lives on this forum.

[DoneLurking]

Don’t kill the messenger.

According to Corey Pronman NY Times

The Blues have drafted a lot of quality forwards in recent years, led by Dalibor Dvorský and Jimmy Snuggerud. They have a solid system, but for a team that’s hanging around playoff bubble status, I’m not convinced there’s enough coming to elevate their club to the next level.

2024 ranking: 16

2025 NHL Draft grade: C+

Noted that you have made both a big deal out of the 2023 draft as some kind of failure, and Corey's draft grades as if one draft is definitive of the GM's job as a whole at all.

In 2023 Corey gave the Blues draft a B+ writing:

St. Louis Blues: B+
With three firsts, including a 10th overall, you should get players, and the Blues did. Dalibor Dvorsky is a potential top two line center for them in a few years. Otto Stenberg, Theo Lindstein, and Juraj Pekarcik all have real chances to play in the NHL too. They could get two NHL regulars from this group, maybe three.

In Corey's 2023 prospect rankings the Blues jumped from 29 to 18.

In 2022 Corey gave the Blues a draft grade of B.

The burr in your saddle, the 2024 draft, Corey gave them a B, and wrote:
St. Louis Blues: B
The Blues had a clear theme to their draft. They drafted size and skating and brought a bunch of top-end athletes into their farm system. Adam Jiricek, their first pick, looks like a top-four NHL defenseman. Ondrej Kos was trending to being a clear top-two-round pick earlier this season before he had health issues that derailed his season. Adam Jecho fell after being a touted player in recent years, but I see a path for him to the NHL. I don’t think the stat line on a lot of these prospects will excite, but I could see multiple NHL regulars coming from the Blues’ class. Matvei Korotky has a lot of potential as a seventh-round pick, too, with how well he played in the MHL playoffs.


You don't actually agree with Pronman. You just like that you think he somewhat supported your messianic campaign, despite the fact that you misrepresented what he most recently wrote.

You know who doesn't say much about our 3 2023 Round 1 prospects? Douglas Army. That alone should tell you everything.

Face it. The 3 Round 1 selections may make our Blues roster, but they are all average NHL players, at best. That is not what I wanted. That is not what the Blues need.

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain

Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

The only draft prospect that he is excited about is Snuggerud.

I noticed you didn't provide a quote. But I'm curious why you think a GM who doesn't speak about his draft classes with any regularity, in this case Armstrong, not saying anything about a particular draft class, in this case the 2023 draft class, proves anything.

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Take a gander at the Stanley Cup MVPs, and compare that list with the TOP 5 draft picks.
That doesn't answer the question. You claim that since Doug Armstrong doesn't discuss the 2023 draft class that must mean it's a failure. You can give no example of either Armstrong discussing any draft class, including any that led to the 2019 Cup championship, nor can you give an example of any other GM discussing a draft class leading to their Stanley Cups. The whole point is unfounded, and arbitrary to bolster an argument that is only valid in your head. But to meet you on your imagined battlefield:

In the cap era, the list of Conn Smyth winners by draft position TOP5 or not TOP5 is as follows
NOT TOP 5: 9 players

TOP5: 11 players.

This isn't the point you think you're making, unless the point you're making is that a TOP5 pick is only slightly more likely to win the Conn Smythe, But since one of those 11 was actually a losing player in McDavid,, it's 9 versus 10 for cup winning Conn Smythe winners. Good try.



Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain
Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

Don't understand this question.

Yes you do. But to re-explain. Since the Blues didn't pick in the TOP5 in 2023, why are you so upset with the result of the draft anyway?


I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Cute. Notice, how I actually answered the questions and provided proof? You should try it.

The Blues are the only team in the NHL (or maybe few) that does not have at least one TOP5 that they selected on the roster. Florida and Edmonton have 2.

Further, the Blues have had 1 TOP 10 pick in 20 years as well. Why do the Blues always draft 15 or lower? The answer to this question is what irks me. Are the Blues a perennial powerhouse? Hell no. They are average at best. They select 15 or lower BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO. The Blues "stay competitive" until the very last puck drop. Other teams don't "force" late season wins like the Blues. Other teams don't bring in desperate veterans to win a few more games every year. Take a look at what separates the Blues from the other teams picking ahead of them year after year. The Blues have 1,2, or 3 more points than 6 teams picking ahead of them in the draft.

The Blues tell us that that is all fine. Army will tell us that we don't need to pick higher in the draft. 2023 draft results PROVES that this is [nonsense]. 2023 was full of talent, the Blues had 3 picks, and we brought average players to the roster. None of them are close to even making the roster. That's not going to cut it. That is not going to put a Crosby, McDavid, or Ovechkin on the back of my jersey.

I want for St Louis, what other cities have. Pittsburg has enjoyed Crosby, Malkin, and Lemiuex. That is what I want.

Are the Blues a perennial powerhouse? Hell no. They are average at best.

Since Doug Armstrong took over in 2010:

The Blues are 5th in wins, 13th in playoff wins, 11th in conference final appearances, and one of 10 teams to win the Cup. I’m sure everyone else would call that “Average” too.

They select 15 or lower BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO. The Blues "stay competitive" until the very last puck drop. Other teams don't "force" late season wins like the Blues. Other teams don't bring in desperate veterans to win a few more games every year. Take a look at what separates the Blues from the other teams picking ahead of them year after year. The Blues have 1,2, or 3 more points than 6 teams picking ahead of them in the draft.

Since Doug Armstrong took over in 2010 through 2021, since we should allow for run way for any teams/players picking in the TOP5 after 2022, 22 teams have picked in the TOP5. 4 have won the Cup AFTER making their TOP5 picks.

I want for St Louis, what other cities have. Pittsburg has enjoyed Crosby, Malkin, and Lemiuex. That is what I want.

You'd think it would be abundantly clear that no one cares what YOU want. You think you've cracked some code that no other GM has thought of, but history shows that chasing TOP5 picks does not lead to the success you think it does. If the Blues did what you wanted them to do, and are delusionally trying to change our minds to want to do as well, the most likely result would be you'd buy a bunch of jerseys of players you like, and complain that the GM has no vision. You're welcome to be a Leafs fan if that's what you want.

I've spent too much time engaging with your character, but if you want to really get better at trolling, you need to understand the arguments you're making

[a smell of green grass]

Don’t kill the messenger.

According to Corey Pronman NY Times

The Blues have drafted a lot of quality forwards in recent years, led by Dalibor Dvorský and Jimmy Snuggerud. They have a solid system, but for a team that’s hanging around playoff bubble status, I’m not convinced there’s enough coming to elevate their club to the next level.

2024 ranking: 16

2025 NHL Draft grade: C+

Noted that you have made both a big deal out of the 2023 draft as some kind of failure, and Corey's draft grades as if one draft is definitive of the GM's job as a whole at all.

In 2023 Corey gave the Blues draft a B+ writing:

St. Louis Blues: B+
With three firsts, including a 10th overall, you should get players, and the Blues did. Dalibor Dvorsky is a potential top two line center for them in a few years. Otto Stenberg, Theo Lindstein, and Juraj Pekarcik all have real chances to play in the NHL too. They could get two NHL regulars from this group, maybe three.

In Corey's 2023 prospect rankings the Blues jumped from 29 to 18.

In 2022 Corey gave the Blues a draft grade of B.

The burr in your saddle, the 2024 draft, Corey gave them a B, and wrote:
St. Louis Blues: B
The Blues had a clear theme to their draft. They drafted size and skating and brought a bunch of top-end athletes into their farm system. Adam Jiricek, their first pick, looks like a top-four NHL defenseman. Ondrej Kos was trending to being a clear top-two-round pick earlier this season before he had health issues that derailed his season. Adam Jecho fell after being a touted player in recent years, but I see a path for him to the NHL. I don’t think the stat line on a lot of these prospects will excite, but I could see multiple NHL regulars coming from the Blues’ class. Matvei Korotky has a lot of potential as a seventh-round pick, too, with how well he played in the MHL playoffs.


You don't actually agree with Pronman. You just like that you think he somewhat supported your messianic campaign, despite the fact that you misrepresented what he most recently wrote.

You know who doesn't say much about our 3 2023 Round 1 prospects? Douglas Army. That alone should tell you everything.

Face it. The 3 Round 1 selections may make our Blues roster, but they are all average NHL players, at best. That is not what I wanted. That is not what the Blues need.

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain

Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Does Armstrong say much about any of the draft classes? Can you provide any of those quotes?

The only draft prospect that he is excited about is Snuggerud.

I noticed you didn't provide a quote. But I'm curious why you think a GM who doesn't speak about his draft classes with any regularity, in this case Armstrong, not saying anything about a particular draft class, in this case the 2023 draft class, proves anything.

Can you show me a GM that has continually raved about a draft class of his, and then watched that draft class win the Cup? Can you provide any of those quotes?

Take a gander at the Stanley Cup MVPs, and compare that list with the TOP 5 draft picks.
That doesn't answer the question. You claim that since Doug Armstrong doesn't discuss the 2023 draft class that must mean it's a failure. You can give no example of either Armstrong discussing any draft class, including any that led to the 2019 Cup championship, nor can you give an example of any other GM discussing a draft class leading to their Stanley Cups. The whole point is unfounded, and arbitrary to bolster an argument that is only valid in your head. But to meet you on your imagined battlefield:

In the cap era, the list of Conn Smyth winners by draft position TOP5 or not TOP5 is as follows
NOT TOP 5: 9 players

TOP5: 11 players.

This isn't the point you think you're making, unless the point you're making is that a TOP5 pick is only slightly more likely to win the Conn Smythe, But since one of those 11 was actually a losing player in McDavid,, it's 9 versus 10 for cup winning Conn Smythe winners. Good try.



Why would you expect the Blues to have selected what you want, as if your opinion matters, when you only want TOP5 (trademark pending) picks, and they picked 10th? Please explain
Or is this another contrived standard you've devised to insulate your constantly evolving stance on why Doug Armstrong is a bad GM?

Don't understand this question.

Yes you do. But to re-explain. Since the Blues didn't pick in the TOP5 in 2023, why are you so upset with the result of the draft anyway?


I would like you to override your troll bot programming and answer each question individually

Cute. Notice, how I actually answered the questions and provided proof? You should try it.

The Blues are the only team in the NHL (or maybe few) that does not have at least one TOP5 that they selected on the roster. Florida and Edmonton have 2.

Further, the Blues have had 1 TOP 10 pick in 20 years as well. Why do the Blues always draft 15 or lower? The answer to this question is what irks me. Are the Blues a perennial powerhouse? Hell no. They are average at best. They select 15 or lower BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO. The Blues "stay competitive" until the very last puck drop. Other teams don't "force" late season wins like the Blues. Other teams don't bring in desperate veterans to win a few more games every year. Take a look at what separates the Blues from the other teams picking ahead of them year after year. The Blues have 1,2, or 3 more points than 6 teams picking ahead of them in the draft.

The Blues tell us that that is all fine. Army will tell us that we don't need to pick higher in the draft. 2023 draft results PROVES that this is [nonsense]. 2023 was full of talent, the Blues had 3 picks, and we brought average players to the roster. None of them are close to even making the roster. That's not going to cut it. That is not going to put a Crosby, McDavid, or Ovechkin on the back of my jersey.

I want for St Louis, what other cities have. Pittsburg has enjoyed Crosby, Malkin, and Lemiuex. That is what I want.

Are the Blues a perennial powerhouse? Hell no. They are average at best.

Since Doug Armstrong took over in 2010:

The Blues are 5th in wins, 13th in playoff wins, 11th in conference final appearances, and one of 10 teams to win the Cup. I’m sure everyone else would call that “Average” too.

They select 15 or lower BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO. The Blues "stay competitive" until the very last puck drop. Other teams don't "force" late season wins like the Blues. Other teams don't bring in desperate veterans to win a few more games every year. Take a look at what separates the Blues from the other teams picking ahead of them year after year. The Blues have 1,2, or 3 more points than 6 teams picking ahead of them in the draft.

Since Doug Armstrong took over in 2010 through 2021, since we should allow for run way for any teams/players picking in the TOP5 after 2022, 22 teams have picked in the TOP5. 4 have won the Cup AFTER making their TOP5 picks.

I want for St Louis, what other cities have. Pittsburg has enjoyed Crosby, Malkin, and Lemiuex. That is what I want.

You'd think it would be abundantly clear that no one cares what YOU want. You think you've cracked some code that no other GM has thought of, but history shows that chasing TOP5 picks does not lead to the success you think it does. If the Blues did what you wanted them to do, and are delusionally trying to change our minds to want to do as well, the most likely result would be you'd buy a bunch of jerseys of players you like, and complain that the GM has no vision. You're welcome to be a Leafs fan if that's what you want.

I've spent too much time engaging with your character, but if you want to really get better at trolling, you need to understand the arguments you're making

Thank you for the conversation.

I've said my piece, and you've said yours.

I'm very satisfied with that.

[DoneLurking]

Thank you for the conversation.

I've said my piece, and you've said yours.

I'm very satisfied with that.

No. You're just going to go to other threads and push the same garbage each day.

[a smell of green grass]

Thank you for the conversation.

I've said my piece, and you've said yours.

I'm very satisfied with that.

No. You're just going to go to other threads and push the same garbage each day.

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I'm sure that you feel the same. More power to you.