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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
So as usual, you have nothing.

Enjoy this attention.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:42 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
So as usual, you have nothing.

Enjoy this attention.
So why don't the Cardinals bench Burleson if he's as bad as you insist he is? By the way, I'm giving you some dubious attention.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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imetsatchelpaige wrote: 23 Aug 2025 11:49 am He has an OPS+ of 120.
He is hitting .285.
He has 15 HR.
His WAR is 1.5.
He is a bargain at the price.
He is the one positive offensive player on this entire team, and you guys wanna trade him.
Insane.
1.5 WAR. That's the problem.

1.4 according to BBR
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:44 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:42 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
So as usual, you have nothing.

Enjoy this attention.
So why don't the Cardinals bench Burleson if he's as bad as you insist he is?
I didn’t say Burleson was “bad”—that’s all you and your usual pathological lying, trolling, and bad faith.

The Cardinals aren’t a good team. And they’ve had injuries that have only added to the underlying structural deficiencies of the roster. You’ve been told this about a hundred times by countless posters—when are you going to get it through your thick head?

Now your turn: explain to us why “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto,” a purported “all-star caliber” player, is only 9th in fWAR on a below-.500 team. We’ll wait.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:44 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:42 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
So as usual, you have nothing.

Enjoy this attention.
So why don't the Cardinals bench Burleson if he's as bad as you insist he is?
I didn’t say Burleson was “bad”—that’s all you and your usual pathological lying, trolling, and bad faith.

The Cardinals aren’t a good team. And they’ve had injuries that have only added to the underlying structural deficiencies of the roster. You’ve been told this about a hundred times by countless posters—when are you going to get it through your thick head?

Now explain to us why “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto,” a purported “all-star caliber” player, is only 9th in fWAR on a below-.500 team. We’ll wait.
i'm very pleased with my projection that Burleson would be an outstanding MLB hitter. Something you and your cronies failed to realize a couple years back and still don't. Burleson is going to get much better yet. Something I'm I'm very sure you don't see coming.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Prior to this season, spot on.
We can acknowledge though that he did reach that minimum standard for a player of his profile.
It also does not mean that he reached his ceiling. IF it is his ceiling, then fine, let other players
decrease his PT through better production.
He doesn't have range. He'll never have range that is a fact. A team would be at a total disadvantage
with 2 AB's in the OF. He does field what he gets to. He's Donovan like in the OF with a slightly better arm.
At 1B competent. Nothing great an usually nothing bad by attempting a play that isn't there.

Of AB, JW, LN, IH, BD, NG he is the least urgent to make a decision on, IMO.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:56 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:44 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:42 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
So as usual, you have nothing.

Enjoy this attention.
So why don't the Cardinals bench Burleson if he's as bad as you insist he is?
I didn’t say Burleson was “bad”—that’s all you and your usual pathological lying, trolling, and bad faith.

The Cardinals aren’t a good team. And they’ve had injuries that have only added to the underlying structural deficiencies of the roster. You’ve been told this about a hundred times by countless posters—when are you going to get it through your thick head?

Now explain to us why “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto,” a purported “all-star caliber” player, is only 9th in fWAR on a below-.500 team. We’ll wait.
i'm very pleased with my projection that Burleson would be an outstanding MLB hitter. Something you and your cronies failed to realize a couple years back and still don't. Burleson is going to get much better yet. Something I'm I'm very sure you don't see coming.
Outstanding. “exceptionally good”

66 in obp
62 in slugging.
72 in rbi
145 in runs
95 in homers
23 in avg
60th in wrc+.

Nope. Doesn’t fit that definition.

So, you mean he “continues to exist”.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:44 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:42 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
So as usual, you have nothing.

Enjoy this attention.
So why don't the Cardinals bench Burleson if he's as bad as you insist he is?
I didn’t say Burleson was “bad”—that’s all you and your usual pathological lying, trolling, and bad faith.

The Cardinals aren’t a good team. And they’ve had injuries that have only added to the underlying structural deficiencies of the roster. You’ve been told this about a hundred times by countless posters—when are you going to get it through your thick head?

Now your turn: explain to us why “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto,” a purported “all-star caliber” player, is only 9th in fWAR on a below-.500 team. We’ll wait.
This should be fun. Votto at age 26 won an mvp.

Gwynn was a 3x all star, 2 time top 10 mvp, 3x ss at 26
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:56 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:51 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:44 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:42 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Call the Cardinals and insist Burleson be traded for underachieving. See how far that gets you. LOL
So as usual, you have nothing.

Enjoy this attention.
So why don't the Cardinals bench Burleson if he's as bad as you insist he is?
I didn’t say Burleson was “bad”—that’s all you and your usual pathological lying, trolling, and bad faith.

The Cardinals aren’t a good team. And they’ve had injuries that have only added to the underlying structural deficiencies of the roster. You’ve been told this about a hundred times by countless posters—when are you going to get it through your thick head?

Now explain to us why “the next Tony Gwynn / Joey Votto,” a purported “all-star caliber” player, is only 9th in fWAR on a below-.500 team. We’ll wait.
i'm very pleased with my projection that Burleson would be an outstanding MLB hitter. Something you and your cronies failed to realize a couple years back and still don't. Burleson is going to get much better yet. Something I'm I'm very sure you don't see coming.
If he becomes much better than an "outstanding MLB hitter" would that mean HOF?
Don't be silly. He has to do what he is doing and still needs to improve his SLG.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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I smiled when I saw the thread Title.
I only wish there is some way we could place a bet in Vegas BEFORE opening a thread as to predicting the originator.
We’d all be rich!
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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renostl wrote: 23 Aug 2025 18:10 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:31 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 17:05 pm Nice quote for critics to consider, "Alec Burleson has transformed his approach to become a top-30 hitter in the National League based on his WRC+, which checks in at 120, meaning his offense is 20% better than average".
The “critics” (as you dishonestly call them) have “considered” it—in fact, they’ve frequently cited Burleson’s wRC+ (and OPS+) in more comprehensive analyses of his performance and value. Too bad you’re such a bad faith dolt that you can’t recognize and acknowledge it.

Now here’s something for you to consider: Burleson currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players and 9th overall on the roster of a below-.500 team. A 120 wRC+ is pretty much the bare minimum required for a starter who is an entirely one-dimensional, bat-only player who is below average at everything else and a liability in the field.
Prior to this season, spot on.
We can acknowledge though that he did reach that minimum standard for a player of his profile.
It also does not mean that he reached his ceiling. IF it is his ceiling, then fine, let other players
decrease his PT through better production.
He doesn't have range. He'll never have range that is a fact. A team would be at a total disadvantage
with 2 AB's in the OF. He does field what he gets to. He's Donovan like in the OF with a slightly better arm.
At 1B competent. Nothing great an usually nothing bad by attempting a play that isn't there.

Of AB, JW, LN, IH, BD, NG he is the least urgent to make a decision on, IMO.
A very reasonable post.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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Cusecards wrote: 23 Aug 2025 18:24 pm I smiled when I saw the thread Title.
I only wish there is some way we could place a bet in Vegas BEFORE opening a thread as to predicting the originator.
We’d all be rich!
And you are a joke trying so hard to be relevant.
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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NYCardsFan wrote: 23 Aug 2025 16:57 pm
Absolut wrote: 23 Aug 2025 16:48 pm
ClassicO wrote: 23 Aug 2025 16:34 pm
Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 16:17 pm
ClassicO wrote: 23 Aug 2025 14:49 pm
rage-STL wrote: 23 Aug 2025 12:07 pm
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 23 Aug 2025 11:49 am He has an OPS+ of 120.
He is hitting .285.
He has 15 HR.
His WAR is 1.5.
He is a bargain at the price.
He is the one positive offensive player on this entire team, and you guys wanna trade him.
Insane.
Trading Burly feels like a case of having to give to get. If you can swap Burly for a major league starter with upside, I think they’d be crazy not to pull the trigger.
If you can trade Burly for a MLB starter with upside you will be named GM of the century.
Or you could get fired after Burleson hits like he's capable of for the next three or four years and the pitcher fades or is just so so.
What exactly is he capable of? And don't "Melville me" with garble - give me the stats you predict he'd have in such a year.
And where would he play? Please don't say outfield as he sucks donkeys there.
He has a 1.4b WAR this year - his best by far - and a lifetime 1.9 bWAR.
He’s one of the better mediocre players on a mediocre roster.
Currently ranks 7th in fWAR among position players on the roster, and 9th overall. On a below-.500 team.
Yehbut, still!
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Re: High praise for Burleson's progress

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Shady wrote: 23 Aug 2025 19:38 pm
Cusecards wrote: 23 Aug 2025 18:24 pm I smiled when I saw the thread Title.
I only wish there is some way we could place a bet in Vegas BEFORE opening a thread as to predicting the originator.
We’d all be rich!
And you are a joke trying so hard to be relevant.
Pot, meet black kettle.
Look in a mirror, Sybil.
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