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I agree that this has not been an issue with Gorman in the past.Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:47 amAs mentioned, you didn't see the play.Bomber1 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:37 amWTF are you talking about “sanctimony”?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:30 am The sanctimony of some on here is humorous.
If you don't like Gorman, that is fine. But judge him just like you would judge any other player.
He didn’t hustle. I don’t GAS whether it’s Gorman or Winn or any other Cardinal.
Why are you making excuses for failure to hustle?
He smokes a line drive off the top of the wall. Yes, he thought it was gone, so he didn't bust it out of the box. He busted butt maybe 15-20 feet down the line. The ball had already been retrieved by the right fielder and rifled into 2B. Even if he had busted it out of the gate, it would have been a bad idea to try for 2B, as it would have been bang bang.
Do you watch many games? If so, would you say there is a history of Gorman not hustling? I watch most games and don't recall ever having an issue with Gorman's "hustle" or work ethic.
I agree that every player should hustle.45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:48 amOh please…Bomber1 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:37 amWTF are you talking about “sanctimony”?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:30 am The sanctimony of some on here is humorous.
If you don't like Gorman, that is fine. But judge him just like you would judge any other player.
He didn’t hustle. I don’t GAS whether it’s Gorman or Winn or any other Cardinal.
Why are you making excuses for failure to hustle?
Molina would barely waddle half way to first base and turn to the dugout on a ground ball…
I don’t remember anyone ripping him…
For the record…Everyone should hustle…. even the fat, washed up ones…
He's a softball playerTXCardsFanX wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 08:22 am I might be in the minority here, but I really don't like Gorman. He's got HR power. Otherwise, he's not a good hitter, a poor fielder, and is slow.
If you watch the games, you know. But, if you're not convinced, it's backed by raw data too:
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb
Can he come around? Maybe. But, I think he has too many flaws and not enough strengths. If he was an average fielder, for example, maybe you can hope he develops into a more consistent bat. But, when he's bad at almost everything, I say you trade him and get some pitching depth (or something more useful).
We gave Wong an 8 year tryout and Bader a 7 year tryoutBoiler Bird wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:56 am Gorman's four-year tryout is beyond enough. In year four, he’s batting .223, one whole point over his career average of .222, with a grand total of 12 home runs in 83 games, leading to an OPS of .734, just shy of his career standard of .736. His Oops rate also remains on his career pace of one error every 10 games. He’s good to buy a new house in the burbs … of Springfield.
Speed and good hair go a long way.Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 11:56 amWe gave Wong an 8 year tryout and Bader a 7 year tryoutBoiler Bird wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:56 am Gorman's four-year tryout is beyond enough. In year four, he’s batting .223, one whole point over his career average of .222, with a grand total of 12 home runs in 83 games, leading to an OPS of .734, just shy of his career standard of .736. His Oops rate also remains on his career pace of one error every 10 games. He’s good to buy a new house in the burbs … of Springfield.
I believe that was lack of hustle.Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 08:44 am Also, it wasn't a lack of hustle. It was poor judgment if anything. He hit a (bleep) missel that he thought was gone, so he didn't bust it out of the box immediately.
Even if he had busted it out of the box, he isn't the fastest runner around, and that rocket off the wall in that bandbox, there are no promises that he isn't gunned down at 2B anyway.
Really. Don’t remember anyone ripping him?45s wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:48 amOh please…Bomber1 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:37 amWTF are you talking about “sanctimony”?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:30 am The sanctimony of some on here is humorous.
If you don't like Gorman, that is fine. But judge him just like you would judge any other player.
He didn’t hustle. I don’t GAS whether it’s Gorman or Winn or any other Cardinal.
Why are you making excuses for failure to hustle?
Molina would barely waddle half way to first base and turn to the dugout on a ground ball…
I don’t remember anyone ripping him…
For the record…Everyone should hustle…. even the fat, washed up ones…
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 08:44 am Also, it wasn't a lack of hustle. It was poor judgment if anything. He hit a (bleep) missel that he thought was gone, so he didn't bust it out of the box immediately.
Even if he had busted it out of the box, he isn't the fastest runner around, and that rocket off the wall in that bandbox, there are no promises that he isn't gunned down at 2B anyway.
There is not a player on the team that would have been to 1B when the ball hit the wall.Bomber1 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:37 amWTF are you talking about “sanctimony”?Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 10:30 am The sanctimony of some on here is humorous.
If you don't like Gorman, that is fine. But judge him just like you would judge any other player.
He didn’t hustle. I don’t GAS whether it’s Gorman or Winn or any other Cardinal.
Why are you making excuses for failure to hustle?
I'm sure that there's a STAT cast somewhere that would tell us how long it took for that ball to hit the wall. Maybe then we could be objective about the likelihood of a player getting to 2B on that ballBanner29 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 12:23 pmBasil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 08:44 am Also, it wasn't a lack of hustle. It was poor judgment if anything. He hit a (bleep) missel that he thought was gone, so he didn't bust it out of the box immediately.
Even if he had busted it out of the box, he isn't the fastest runner around, and that rocket off the wall in that bandbox, there are no promises that he isn't gunned down at 2B anyway.
Regardless, there isn’t a single player on this team that has earned the “captain cool” title of admiring their home runs. Whether that be because of being disappointments, haven’t proven anything yet, or a mixture of both.
Bob Gibson pitched to three batters with a broken leg. How they got those legs I’ll never know.TopofthePerch wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 12:44 pm I guess everyone is just going to forget about the back issues? It's a long season and a lot of guys get banged up. Pretty crazy how people just go to players being lazy and somehow expect max effort every play no matter what. Fans have a very delusional sense of reality when it comes to players.
The ball was hit 99.3 mph it went 354 ft.renostl wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 13:24 pmI'm sure that there's a STAT cast somewhere that would tell us how long it took for that ball to hit the wall. Maybe then we could be objective about the likelihood of a player getting to 2B on that ballBanner29 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 12:23 pmBasil Shabazz wrote: ↑22 Aug 2025 08:44 am Also, it wasn't a lack of hustle. It was poor judgment if anything. He hit a (bleep) missel that he thought was gone, so he didn't bust it out of the box immediately.
Even if he had busted it out of the box, he isn't the fastest runner around, and that rocket off the wall in that bandbox, there are no promises that he isn't gunned down at 2B anyway.
Regardless, there isn’t a single player on this team that has earned the “captain cool” title of admiring their home runs. Whether that be because of being disappointments, haven’t proven anything yet, or a mixture of both.