Nashville expansion will be bad for St.Louis?

[greyhawk]

It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Agree….

But I think there is little chance of the city coming back…

Business, entertainment, jobs, industry…..the momentum of the country is South..

i disagree --- everything is cyclical... i mean cleveland is making a come back as is detroit. it may take a while but the lou will be fine.

[greyhawk]

The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Well St. Louis would prefer they put a team in Charlotte, NC which has a bigger population.

and Atlanta are both closer to Nashville than St.Louis (30 and 60 miles respectively). So they should see an effect.

But yeah fans in SEC states (KY, Tenn, Alabama) that are traditional Cardinals country should naturally gravitate to Nashville.

but are the cards losing fans if they travel from those locations to watch and root for the cardinals when they are in nashville?

[greyhawk]

Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

As we've learned all stats are fake.

that is not true --- but as a stats major all stats can be made to defend whatever position you want them to with a little ingenuity.

[alw80]

Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Nice narrative. Right out of the playbook. Just make stuff up…then rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat…until the uninformed & gullible start believing the garbage. Waiting patiently for more of your gaslighting.

It's how things are done now. If you don't like it take your woke (donkey) to the WNBA message boards.

[11WSChamps]

Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

You’re not getting an intelligent reply from that idiot.

And he's proven it ad nauseum.

Another CA (donkey)(pit).

OH LOOK, JUST ONE OF THE MANY LOSERS AND HATERS OF THE STL FORUMS.

Don't be so hard on your dumb[ash] self.

[RunSup]

The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Well St. Louis would prefer they put a team in Charlotte, NC which has a bigger population.

Cincinnati and Atlanta are both closer to Nashville than St.Louis (30 and 60 miles respectively). So they should see an effect.

But yeah fans in SEC states (KY, Tenn, Alabama) that are traditional Cardinals country should naturally gravitate to Nashville.

but are the cards losing fans if they travel from those locations to watch and root for the cardinals when they are in nashville?

Honestly, the Cardinals need to field a good enough team to at least attract fans from the STL and St Charles. Everything else will take care of itself.

Tennessee fans will root for their team in Tennessee first. Though Western Tennessee / Memphis are could still be Cardinal country.

But really STL isn't country enough for the South East. We're humorously viewed as yanks. I get that from extended family in TN and KY. After 13 years Mizzou isn't even accepted as a legit SEC school amongst SEC fans. Northern outsiders, bless their hearts.

It is better for the Cardinals if MLB puts the expansion team in Charlotte which has 1M more people in its metro area than Nashville and fast growing.

[butsir01]

If Bill wants to move, MLB will let him.
And, frankly, with this level of ownership, it seems like they want to kill the fanbase, blame it on the fans and skip town to greener pastures.
Lessee, which carpetbagger last followed that blueprint here?

[hmoss859]

Nashville will be a place that players will gravitate to

No state tax either

[scoutyjones2]

The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Is Nashville getting a team? I must have missed the announcement...

Competition is good

[DickyBennett]

The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Is Nashville getting a team? I must have missed the announcement...

Competition is good

Nashville or St Louis for the casual fan?

Nashville will siphon off the southern and eastern footprint significantly

[scoutyjones2]

The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Is Nashville getting a team? I must have missed the announcement...

Competition is good

Nashville or St Louis for the casual fan?

Nashville will siphon off the southern and eastern footprint significantly

Did they get a team? I must have missed the announcement.


Good if it pulls people away from the Lou. St Louis is one of the countries most dangerous cities.

[Absolut]

The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Is Nashville getting a team? I must have missed the announcement...

Competition is good

Nashville or St Louis for the casual fan?

Nashville will siphon off the southern and eastern footprint significantly

Did they get a team? I must have missed the announcement.


Good if it pulls people away from the Lou. St Louis is one of the countries most dangerous cities.

I was robbed three times… (bleep) … four times just reading this.

[Edson]

Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

You’re not getting an intelligent reply from that idiot.

And he's proven it ad nauseum.

Another CA (donkey)(pit).

OH LOOK, JUST ONE OF THE MANY LOSERS AND HATERS OF THE STL FORUMS.

You aren't wrong, it is over blown and based on per capita stats when most StL residents live in the county. I lived downtown for three plus years and never had a single issue. We knew what areas not to go into, the places where those stats are actually coming from. Doesn't mean StL couldn't do some major improving either. I encountered more homeless people on a weekend trip to Nashville than I did in the entire time I lived in downtown StL.

[Othawhitemeat]

I've lived in Nashville for 21 years now and I don't see it possible for the city to support an MLB team. In my opinion the traffic is absolutely ridiculous already and they do not have the infrastructure in place to support more traffic. As others have already pointed out, they are building a new football stadium that will be ready by 2027. There is also no transit system like other cities have to go to and from lengthy distances. I think it would be feasible to go a little further outside of metro Nashville but there would be much fewer night life attractions in those areas (bars/restaurants) to attract patrons. Based on my observations and experience I would say that Nashville downtown is much safer than St. Louis downtown. Again this is my opinion only based on the times I have been to both cities during night time sporting events over the last 25 years.

As someone that has lived in and around Nashville around the same timeline, I do see the concerns on infrastructure. Stating that, Atlanta traffic is way worse and they pull it off. I know Nashville has been angling for a baseball team for a long time with a lot of power influencers trying to make it happen. I could see concerns with Nashville getting a NBA team, but do think the city would support a MLB Team. It is a growing city that people flock to. Nashville is huge with incentivizing entertainment too as it is starting to get into the film/tv production world and as someone mentioned, no state tax here.

However, I don't think a team moving to Nashville would impact St. Louis too much as much as DeWitt would impact the city without investing into the Cardinals. They screwed over fans for a long-time and that is catching up. If they try and invest into the Cards by smartly doing free agency in addition to growing the farm, fans will show up. If they keep being mediocre and blaming the fans for their mediocre product, fans had enough.

[ramfandan]

Nashville will be a place that players will gravitate to

No state tax either

Good point ! No state income tax will be attractive to free agent players especially.

[ScotchMIrish]

That's possible now that it's $20 a month to watch. Could impact radio coverages as well.

What I don't understand is teams like Tampa and Miami staying when they get poor attendance every year. Do they stay because the owner likes the low tax rate in Florida?