A while back I got blasted for posting that McGreevy was the Cardinals most consistent starting pitcher

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McGreevy is pitch to contact. Not ideal. Requires a good bit of batted-ball luck. Just like Mikolas. He might work out as a 4 or 5 in the rotation. Might.

[scoutyjones2]

McFedde...he's not good

[Cusecards]

Kiss of death thread??
Hopefully not?
Same with Saggese, Burleson, and JJ??

[Braund241]

And I'll reiterate that McGreevy is indeed just that.

And yet he sucks. But he is able to chuckle after his performance, either pitching or defense ineptitude.

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And I'll reiterate that McGreevy is indeed just that.

And yet he sucks. But he is able to chuckle after his performance, either pitching or defense ineptitude.

That's the culture Marmol and Mozeliak have created. Winning is not important. You think TLR or Jocketty would have tolerated such frivolity when getting shellacked? Clown show.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

He's a 4-5 starter. Nothing wrong with that. It's a good thing to be able to consistently churn these guys out and dump them when they start to cost you money. It's not a good thing to have to rely on them. It's really not a good thing when they're the best starters you're developing.

[scoutyjones2]

And I'll reiterate that McGreevy is indeed just that.

And yet he sucks. But he is able to chuckle after his performance, either pitching or defense ineptitude.

That's the culture Marmol and Mozeliak have created. Winning is not important. You think TLR or Jocketty would have tolerated such frivolity when getting shellacked? Clown show.

I know...players should curl up in a ball in the dugout and suck their thumb!

[Shady]

He's a 4-5 starter. Nothing wrong with that. It's a good thing to be able to consistently churn these guys out and dump them when they start to cost you money. It's not a good thing to have to rely on them. It's really not a good thing when they're the best starters you're developing.

Well put. McGreevy and Liberatore should slot in at #3 and #4 for the next few seasons.