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Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 12:25 pm
by scoutyjones2
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:44 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:36 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:31 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:29 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:22 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:19 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am
No need to lock anyone up contractually, at this point.
Winn has had back issues and a barking knee. Could end up with Tommy John too...
why do you say that?
Scouty hates Winn.
Yes I hate Winn!
Yep. Always contributing to Winn convos with [shirt] like the above.
Scouty hates certain players, and is always shoehorning those feelings in convos.
Who would you lock up and why? Can you guarantee the payer takes it?
Has he had back issues? Did he say his knee is barking? Can constant max throws from your SS, end up with possible Tommy John?
Has his hitting gotten better this year or declined? Is he a base stealer?
No one on the Cards needs to be locked up.
But I'm sorry you see clarity as hatred. LoL. I don't hate a player. Teams like the Scrubs, sure. A player...LoL, no.
You keep being you and wear rose colored glasses and claim hatred for your wet dream player on the Cards if someone points out concerns.
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You have the weird obsession with Winn.
You know that search doesn't assist with your thinking that I hate Winn
You be you Mrs Winn...
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 12:35 pm
by Cusecards
ramfandan wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 11:42 am
Cusecards wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:48 am
Traditionally you offer extensions to buy out a couple of remaining Arb years and cover the first few years of potential free agency.
The only player I see approaching that juncture is Donovan who has three Arb years starting in 2026.
Too soon for Winn/Herrera and WAY too soon for JJ.
The WAY to soon for JJ is how one looks at the risk/reward for locking up a kid long term.
Was it WAY to soon for Brewer GM Matt Arnold ( 2024 Exec. of the Year ) to lock up Jackson Chourio .
The 20 year old signed this long term .
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... on-chourio
Not only did the Brewers buy out all his arb years and first two years of Free Agency (years 7 & 8 ) , the Brewers also tacked on 2 Team Option years for years 9 and 10 . So if they want , they can have him locked up thru year 2034 . Those last two years pay Chourio $25 M for each year . (The brewers can buy out either for $2 M ) .
That $25 M at the very end could look like peanuts. For Chourio, he averages $10+M per year for the whole deal . So more guaranteed $$ in the earilier years but may be much less on the backend . note: there are bonuses if he makes MVP
Only 2 years into this deal , the Brewers are looking pretty good for this deal . For a small market team to have this kid for 10 years may be spectacular . There is risk but also reward . Arnold is taking the risk and owner Attanasio too . However, a player of Chourio's caliber (if he played well ) would have flown the coup from Milwaukee after year 6 free agency . They now could have him for 10 years or walk away for $2M buyout after 8 years.
The Brewers signed Chourio to 8 years -$82 M (not counting team option years ) . This year the Boston Red Sox wanted to see their hot shot rookiekid Roman Anthony play in some games. After a month ?, they signed him to a 8 yr - $130 M deal . So looking back at Brewer Chourio deal , wow almost $50M less for Brewers signing him compared to Anthony .
Wondering if Bloom has the stomach and DeWitt to make a move like those two teams for a JJ Wetherholt . Also even if offered, JJ would have to decide if the higher guaranteed $$ earlier is worth the possible loss of bigger $$ down the road if he does become a big star. Decisions ! Decisions ! Both ways . for a team and for the player
Yes the Brewers did it with Chourio and time will tell of course if it pays off?
Always risk/reward like you mentioned.
At least in the case of Chourio they did see him play at the mlb level.
Have not seen that yet with JJ.
Time will tell.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 12:42 pm
by rockondlouie
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:25 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:44 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:36 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:31 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:29 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:22 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:19 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am
No need to lock anyone up contractually, at this point.
Winn has had back issues and a barking knee. Could end up with Tommy John too...
why do you say that?
Scouty hates Winn.
Yes I hate Winn!
Yep. Always contributing to Winn convos with [shirt] like the above.
Scouty hates certain players, and is always shoehorning those feelings in convos.
Who would you lock up and why? Can you guarantee the payer takes it?
Has he had back issues? Did he say his knee is barking? Can constant max throws from your SS, end up with possible Tommy John?
Has his hitting gotten better this year or declined? Is he a base stealer?
No one on the Cards needs to be locked up.
But I'm sorry you see clarity as hatred. LoL. I don't hate a player. Teams like the Scrubs, sure. A player...LoL, no.
You keep being you and wear rose colored glasses and claim hatred for your wet dream player on the Cards if someone points out concerns.
CardsTalk advanced search Winn and scoutyjones2:
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Scouty has this weird negative obsession with Winn…
You have the weird obsession with Winn.
You know that search doesn't assist with your thinking that I hate Winn
You be you Mrs Winn...
I get it, some fans are so desperate for a "star" Cardinal player.
But other than his great defense M. Winn isn't a star player.
We point this out and all of a sudden we're "Winn haters" when nothing could be further from the truth.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 12:55 pm
by scoutyjones2
rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:42 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:25 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:44 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:36 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:31 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:29 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:22 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:19 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am
No need to lock anyone up contractually, at this point.
Winn has had back issues and a barking knee. Could end up with Tommy John too...
why do you say that?
Scouty hates Winn.
Yes I hate Winn!
Yep. Always contributing to Winn convos with [shirt] like the above.
Scouty hates certain players, and is always shoehorning those feelings in convos.
Who would you lock up and why? Can you guarantee the payer takes it?
Has he had back issues? Did he say his knee is barking? Can constant max throws from your SS, end up with possible Tommy John?
Has his hitting gotten better this year or declined? Is he a base stealer?
No one on the Cards needs to be locked up.
But I'm sorry you see clarity as hatred. LoL. I don't hate a player. Teams like the Scrubs, sure. A player...LoL, no.
You keep being you and wear rose colored glasses and claim hatred for your wet dream player on the Cards if someone points out concerns.
CardsTalk advanced search Winn and scoutyjones2:
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Scouty has this weird negative obsession with Winn…
You have the weird obsession with Winn.
You know that search doesn't assist with your thinking that I hate Winn
You be you Mrs Winn...
I get it, some fans are so desperate for a "star" Cardinal player.
But other than his great defense M. Winn isn't a star player.
We point this out and all of a sudden we're "Winn haters" when nothing could be further from the truth.
No, just me. I even have the title of President of the Winn haters club. Dues are cheap...
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 13:00 pm
by Ronnie Dobbs
ramfandan wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 11:42 amWondering if Bloom has the stomach and DeWitt to make a move like those two teams for a JJ Wetherholt . Also even if offered, JJ would have to decide if the higher guaranteed $$ earlier is worth the possible loss of bigger $$ down the road if he does become a big star. Decisions ! Decisions ! Both ways . for a team and for the player
I'd do it sooner rather than later with JJ. Just my opinion, and I have zero evidence to back it up other than what I've seen and read about him, but he seems like a guy who is pretty confident in his abilities. If you wait too long to extend him and he has even a year of MLB success, you're not going to get that team friendly deal.
Yes, it's a risk, but if you're going to spend all this money getting your minor leagues back to where they should be, and hire a guy like Bloom, then I think you gotta trust them if they want to take that gamble.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 13:02 pm
by rockondlouie
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:55 pm
rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:42 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:25 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:44 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:36 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:31 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:29 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:22 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:19 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am
No need to lock anyone up contractually, at this point.
Winn has had back issues and a barking knee. Could end up with Tommy John too...
why do you say that?
Scouty hates Winn.
Yes I hate Winn!
Yep. Always contributing to Winn convos with [shirt] like the above.
Scouty hates certain players, and is always shoehorning those feelings in convos.
Who would you lock up and why? Can you guarantee the payer takes it?
Has he had back issues? Did he say his knee is barking? Can constant max throws from your SS, end up with possible Tommy John?
Has his hitting gotten better this year or declined? Is he a base stealer?
No one on the Cards needs to be locked up.
But I'm sorry you see clarity as hatred. LoL. I don't hate a player. Teams like the Scrubs, sure. A player...LoL, no.
You keep being you and wear rose colored glasses and claim hatred for your wet dream player on the Cards if someone points out concerns.
CardsTalk advanced search Winn and scoutyjones2:
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Scouty has this weird negative obsession with Winn…
You have the weird obsession with Winn.
You know that search doesn't assist with your thinking that I hate Winn
You be you Mrs Winn...
I get it, some fans are so desperate for a "star" Cardinal player.
But other than his great defense M. Winn isn't a star player.
We point this out and all of a sudden we're "Winn haters" when nothing could be further from the truth.
No, just me. I even have the title of President of the Winn haters club. Dues are cheap...
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
by DwaininAztec
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:55 pm
No, just me. I even have the title of President of the Winn haters club. Dues are cheap...
And very small, very short meetings.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 13:44 pm
by scoutyjones2
DwaininAztec wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 13:09 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:55 pm
No, just me. I even have the title of President of the Winn haters club. Dues are cheap...
And very small, very short meetings.
No, there's a groundswell of extreme hate against the young SS!
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 13:52 pm
by 12xu
They should lock Brad Thompson up in a rubber room, bound and gagged. Leave him there until October.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 14:02 pm
by imyourhuckleberry
No one is getting locked up until there is a new CBA in place.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 14:03 pm
by scoutyjones2
imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 14:02 pm
No one is getting locked up until there is a new CBA in place.
That would be the prudent thing to do
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 15:14 pm
by 2ninr
rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:42 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:25 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:44 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:36 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:31 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:29 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:22 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:19 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am
No need to lock anyone up contractually, at this point.
Winn has had back issues and a barking knee. Could end up with Tommy John too...
why do you say that?
Scouty hates Winn.
Yes I hate Winn!
Yep. Always contributing to Winn convos with [shirt] like the above.
Scouty hates certain players, and is always shoehorning those feelings in convos.
Who would you lock up and why? Can you guarantee the payer takes it?
Has he had back issues? Did he say his knee is barking? Can constant max throws from your SS, end up with possible Tommy John?
Has his hitting gotten better this year or declined? Is he a base stealer?
No one on the Cards needs to be locked up.
But I'm sorry you see clarity as hatred. LoL. I don't hate a player. Teams like the Scrubs, sure. A player...LoL, no.
You keep being you and wear rose colored glasses and claim hatred for your wet dream player on the Cards if someone points out concerns.
CardsTalk advanced search Winn and scoutyjones2:
search.php?keywords=Winn&terms=all&auth ... mit=Search
Scouty has this weird negative obsession with Winn…
You have the weird obsession with Winn.
You know that search doesn't assist with your thinking that I hate Winn
You be you Mrs Winn...
I get it, some fans are so desperate for a "star" Cardinal player.
But other than his great defense M. Winn isn't a star player.
We point this out and all of a sudden we're "Winn haters" when nothing could be further from the truth.
You may very well be right-he's not a star-yet. I think he’s the best player on the team. ( my opinion) That doesn’t make him a star. If he finds more consistency at the plate its a different conversation. People forget he's only 23. His defense is already elite. Still time.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 15:24 pm
by ecleme22
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 12:25 pm
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:44 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:36 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:31 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:29 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:22 am
moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 09:19 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 08:56 am
No need to lock anyone up contractually, at this point.
Winn has had back issues and a barking knee. Could end up with Tommy John too...
why do you say that?
Scouty hates Winn.
Yes I hate Winn!
Yep. Always contributing to Winn convos with [shirt] like the above.
Scouty hates certain players, and is always shoehorning those feelings in convos.
Who would you lock up and why? Can you guarantee the payer takes it?
Has he had back issues? Did he say his knee is barking? Can constant max throws from your SS, end up with possible Tommy John?
Has his hitting gotten better this year or declined? Is he a base stealer?
No one on the Cards needs to be locked up.
But I'm sorry you see clarity as hatred. LoL. I don't hate a player. Teams like the Scrubs, sure. A player...LoL, no.
You keep being you and wear rose colored glasses and claim hatred for your wet dream player on the Cards if someone points out concerns.
CardsTalk advanced search Winn and scoutyjones2:
search.php?keywords=Winn&terms=all&auth ... mit=Search
Scouty has this weird negative obsession with Winn…
You have the weird obsession with Winn.
You know that search doesn't assist with your thinking that I hate Winn
You be you Mrs Winn...
Weird obsession? Nice try.
Keep adding to your Winn hate. “He will never win a GG and he will need TJS!”
Alright [ablution]
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 15:39 pm
by Jatalk
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 07:59 am
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑17 Aug 2025 07:57 am
My gut says Winn but the hype around JJ is fierce. Maybe a dark horse?
The hype is fierce and a bit dangerous. It takes very little to go from super hyped to barely serviceable. Danger Will Robinson. Danger.
Excellent advice. Locking up JJ at this point would be pure de stupid.
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 16:42 pm
by cardsfaninla
Maybe they lock up Oli to a 10 year contract with manager options for the 10 after that? They can make him the highest paid manager in mlb!
Re: Who do they lock up next?
Posted: 17 Aug 2025 18:43 pm
by Chitownredbird
Considering the criminal way the owner and the pobo have run the team into the ground, they should definitely be locked up.