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Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 16:56 pm
by nighthawk
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:19 pm
greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:02 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:53 pm
Joseph-Magrane wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:01 pm
He’s perfect for this organization, cost controlled and clearly not good enough.
You can’t truly compete with a 1b or RF/LF who scores 50 runs has 15 HR and 60 RBI, .775 OPS
Obviously that’s where you want you 30/100 guy
Just who is that for the Cardinals? Contreras, Walker, Gorman, etc.
that guy likely isn't currently on the roster --- burleson will have an mlb career and maybe even with the cards but if he is your starting first baseman or DH then you are the a's or the pirates.
Burleson is only 26. Very possibly, he's not even in his prime. He could still improve. Agree or disagree.
Yes, he could etch his name in baseball's firmament as Glenn Wilson did.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 17:01 pm
by NYCardsFan
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 17:12 pm
by JohnnyMO
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
Then, sure, Burleson could possibly take over 1B after Contreras. He would need to improve his overall offensive numbers over the next two years, but it could happen. Happy?
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 17:14 pm
by Shady
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:12 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
Then, sure, Burleson could possibly take over 1B after Contreras. He would need to improve his overall offensive numbers over the next two years, but it could happen. Happy?
Thanks for being somewhat open-minded. Good job.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 17:15 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
Maybe for the Rangers, or Mariners.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 17:16 pm
by Shady
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:01 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.
So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 17:26 pm
by RunSup
Burleson is definitely at his peak. He is not going to get better. The time to trade him is now.
The Cardinals have plenty of warm bodies to fill a 1B/DH hole.
The question you have to answer is who are the starting pitchers in 2026? 2027? 2028?
If Libby doesn't beef up next year he turns into a LH reliever in 2026 or worse is injured. You are down to Gray and Pallante right now.
Stop gushing on how great Burleson is and giving him a red jacket already. He needs to be traded for SP. Otherwise more dereliction of duty by the FO.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 17:36 pm
by NYCardsFan
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:16 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:01 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.
So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?
Contreras is (and has been) a consistently more productive and valuable player than Burleson. In by far his best season, Burleson is struggling mightily just to get to 1.6-1.7 WAR, which Fangraphs defines as “role player” level production (1-2 WAR).
Furthermore, what does Contreras have to do with Burleson’s potential future surplus/contract value? What the Cardinals pay Contreras under his current contract is irrelevant, it’s water under the bridge—doesn’t mean they’d want to or need to do something similar after his contract expires.
You’ve gone on and on about how Burleson should start because he’s cheap for his (relatively pedestrian) production, so you can’t change your argument now. If he gets more expensive at roughly this level of production, he’ll be far less valuable and/or attractive. Be consistent.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 18:11 pm
by greyhawk
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:16 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:01 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.
So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?
absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 18:19 pm
by Shady
greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 18:11 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:16 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:01 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.
So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?
absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.
I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 18:20 pm
by greyhawk
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 18:19 pm
greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 18:11 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:16 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:01 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.
So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?
absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.
I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles.
at 60 i still don't have to correct my vision so i don't own a pair of rose colored glasses --- i hope you are right.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 18:23 pm
by OldRed
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 14:46 pm
He's getting pretty slick, defensively, there.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 18:24 pm
by Shady
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 18:23 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 14:46 pm
He's getting pretty slick, defensively, there.
Agree or not?
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 18:25 pm
by OldRed
I said a few months ago he should be platooned with Contreras and took a beating. I think that day is coming very soon.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 18:26 pm
by Shady
OldRed wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 18:25 pm
I said a few months ago he should be platooned with Contreras and took a beating. I think that day is coming very soon.
Burleson looks like a natural at 1B. Ex. He made an awesome quick tag on that recent pick off attempt. Also, his ability on short hops is very good.
Re: Is Burleson the future first baseman?
Posted: 13 Aug 2025 19:01 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 18:19 pm
greyhawk wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 18:11 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:16 pm
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 17:01 pm
Shady wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 16:32 pm
JohnnyMO wrote: ↑13 Aug 2025 15:03 pm
What do you mean by “future”? Conteras has a couple more years on his contract, so are you’re asking if Burly is the 1B of 2028 and beyond?
At the conclusion of Contreras' current contract with the Cardinals. Burleson could just be entering his prime years as a player.
At the conclusion of Contreras’s current contract, Burleson will be ARB-3 and starting to cost real money.
So what, he could be worth, production-wise, what Contreras is making. Don't you think?
absolutely not -- contreras was paid to produce these numbers as a catcher. i believe burleson is exactly what he has shown us the last 2 seasons -- he will have some hot streaks and some cold ones -- he won't get faster, his hands won't get softer and his bat will slow eventually. Burleson himself isn't the problem, the problem is this team may be forced to play him as the best alternative.
I see Burleson having 25 HR/85 RBI potential. And lots of doubles. That would be worthy of being the regular 1B when Contreras leaves.
Not feeling it.