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Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:05 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 21:54 pm both have been outstanding with big arms

Keep in mind that obrien(not oreilly. Its riley obrien) is a 30 year old who failed to be consistent enough to stick in majors until now- even last year he was getting rocked. He could easily blow up again next year. relievers are fickle.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 12:12 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 11:25 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 10:54 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Rock,

As I've stated, I believe he just needs consistent playing time. I think he will be either ab everyday starter for us or a highly used utility man. He is cut from the same cloth as Donovan.

Agree on Roby - has REALLY good stuff, but HAS to be able to pitch.

King - I think he was just a throw in, in order to get our pen through the rest of the 2023 season. Turned out to do okay. Had a decent 2024, then has stunk this year.

As with most trades, it will need time to see how our guys turn out. Patience is the key.

And I'm willing to bet you WILL be pleasantly surprised with Saggese!!

I hope you're right, certainly not rooting for him to fail.

But all I see is a back of the bench, utility player at best who will NEVER be a starter here (or elsewhere in MLB).

Career: .228 .272 .329 .601/-1 DRS

(And I just don't see the Donny comp, he's a career: .280 .360 .406 .766 hitter).

To me Saggesse's JAG.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him tossed into any deals C. Blooms makes this winter or next season.

Donovan is a guy who can play all over the diamond. Same as Saggese. Donovan is a throwback gamer. Works hard, no flash, no nonsense, just ball. Breathes it. Saggese is the same. Old-school type that is a baseball rat.

Give him time. Unfair to use his sporadic numbers against him. Probably wasn't/isn't quite ready yet. But close. Just needs to play, adjust, and get comfortable.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 12:45 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 12:12 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 11:25 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 10:54 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Rock,

As I've stated, I believe he just needs consistent playing time. I think he will be either ab everyday starter for us or a highly used utility man. He is cut from the same cloth as Donovan.

Agree on Roby - has REALLY good stuff, but HAS to be able to pitch.

King - I think he was just a throw in, in order to get our pen through the rest of the 2023 season. Turned out to do okay. Had a decent 2024, then has stunk this year.

As with most trades, it will need time to see how our guys turn out. Patience is the key.

And I'm willing to bet you WILL be pleasantly surprised with Saggese!!

I hope you're right, certainly not rooting for him to fail.

But all I see is a back of the bench, utility player at best who will NEVER be a starter here (or elsewhere in MLB).

Career: .228 .272 .329 .601/-1 DRS

(And I just don't see the Donny comp, he's a career: .280 .360 .406 .766 hitter).

To me Saggesse's JAG.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him tossed into any deals C. Blooms makes this winter or next season.

Donovan is a guy who can play all over the diamond. Same as Saggese. Donovan is a throwback gamer. Works hard, no flash, no nonsense, just ball. Breathes it. Saggese is the same. Old-school type that is a baseball rat.

Give him time. Unfair to use his sporadic numbers against him. Probably wasn't/isn't quite ready yet. But close. Just needs to play, adjust, and get comfortable.

Donovan is a superior hitter and has won a SUP Gold Glove.

Saggese may have the same "drive" but he lacks Donny's talent.

And he really doesn't have that "time" C4L since he has no position here in St. Louis w/Winn locked in at SS, JJW will be at 2nd base and Donny is an all-star SUP (who could be dealt this offseason and that may open up a spot for Saggese at the end of the bench as the SUP).

I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a throw-in if/when Bloom starts making trades this winter.

JMO and always respect yours too!

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 14:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 12:45 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 12:12 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 11:25 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 10:54 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Rock,

As I've stated, I believe he just needs consistent playing time. I think he will be either ab everyday starter for us or a highly used utility man. He is cut from the same cloth as Donovan.

Agree on Roby - has REALLY good stuff, but HAS to be able to pitch.

King - I think he was just a throw in, in order to get our pen through the rest of the 2023 season. Turned out to do okay. Had a decent 2024, then has stunk this year.

As with most trades, it will need time to see how our guys turn out. Patience is the key.

And I'm willing to bet you WILL be pleasantly surprised with Saggese!!

I hope you're right, certainly not rooting for him to fail.

But all I see is a back of the bench, utility player at best who will NEVER be a starter here (or elsewhere in MLB).

Career: .228 .272 .329 .601/-1 DRS

(And I just don't see the Donny comp, he's a career: .280 .360 .406 .766 hitter).

To me Saggesse's JAG.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him tossed into any deals C. Blooms makes this winter or next season.

Donovan is a guy who can play all over the diamond. Same as Saggese. Donovan is a throwback gamer. Works hard, no flash, no nonsense, just ball. Breathes it. Saggese is the same. Old-school type that is a baseball rat.

Give him time. Unfair to use his sporadic numbers against him. Probably wasn't/isn't quite ready yet. But close. Just needs to play, adjust, and get comfortable.

Donovan is a superior hitter and has won a SUP Gold Glove.

Saggese may have the same "drive" but he lacks Donny's talent.

And he really doesn't have that "time" C4L since he has no position here in St. Louis w/Winn locked in at SS, JJW will be at 2nd base and Donny is an all-star SUP (who could be dealt this offseason and that may open up a spot for Saggese at the end of the bench as the SUP).

I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a throw-in if/when Bloom starts making trades this winter.

JMO and always respect yours too!

He is a superior hitter now. Saggese hasn't had the same amount of time to develop as Donnie. I could see Bloom trading either one of them, though Donnie would have more trade value.

Respect yours too, Rock!

OldRed wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:36 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

Montgomery was 3 - 1 in post season with Texas. It was a terrific trade for Texas.

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 07:52 am Aren’t relievers more important in the overall scheme of things than they’re given credit for?
Especially with starts going less innings than in the past.