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And I really think a lot of the fans would've been okay with it and understood if if they had just been honest.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:10 am Yea, they screwed up and should have admitted to themselves that they needed a rebuild. Suck it up that the fans aren't going to understand it and do it. Now they wasted two years of rebuilding and you're looking at 2023-2026, at the least, being rebuild years.
Well, that's what I'm not sure about. I remember a lot of posters after we sold players at the deadline in 2023 wondering why the trades didn't make the team better right away. I'm still not sure people get it. And I do think that's part of why ownership is so weird about it.Strummer Jones wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:26 pmAnd I really think a lot of the fans would've been okay with it and understood if if they had just been honest.
I'm not so sure that Mozeliak was dishonest as much as he was just wrong.Strummer Jones wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:26 pmAnd I really think a lot of the fans would've been okay with it and understood if if they had just been honest.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:10 am Yea, they screwed up and should have admitted to themselves that they needed a rebuild. Suck it up that the fans aren't going to understand it and do it. Now they wasted two years of rebuilding and you're looking at 2023-2026, at the least, being rebuild years.
Sure, it might've kept the casuals away, probably. But the larger part of the rank and file would've likely still supported them. And then all the junkies like us who get excited when they call up a set-up man from Memphis would've still come. I doubt they''d sell out, but I can easily see the legit attendance being 25-30,000 people in the park.
A lot of the unpleasantness with the fans could've been avoided if they were just honest. Look at the Blues.
The trades are irrelavent to the timeline. They probably didn't get enough to even move the needle, much less to make us a competitor either next year or in 3-5 years. Woo should Stop reading so much into Mo actually having a master plan or even a well thought out strategy.Bully4you wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am This is the quote from Woo Hoo:
"To me, this deadline is much different from when the Cardinals sold in 2023," Woo said. "Yes, in 2023, the Cardinals also only traded guys on expiring deals, same as this year. But, what they targeted in 2023 was pitching depth, specifically in the upper minor league system and soon to be major league-ready talent. In 2023, the reason why the front office looked for that specifically in a return was because they wanted to return to contention soon. They wanted to compete in 2024. They thought maybe they could get away one more year of building a team, possibly good enough to contend for a Wild Card spot and maybe get in. They wanted to avoid a rebuild.
"This year, they have seemed to acknowledge that is not going to be possible. They went and they got a ton of High-A guys. Blaze Jordan is the only one in Double-A or above right now...That to me signals...that this is going to be a multi-year transition. The point of the 2025 year was to see how long this reset...would take. The Cardinals seemed resigned to the fact that this is going to be a multi-year project."
She's taking a couple of items and drawing a conclusion that may or may not exist.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:18 am Yeah, Woo stated the obvious. But, to be a bit more fair to her, a lot of fans out there, including many who post in this forum, miss the obvious, too. Judging from the daily grind here, many seem to believe that this is a rebuilding year with the mind to contend next year. That may have been a stretch goal, a long-shot hope, but this kind of rebuild is ALWAYS multi-year. 2025 is the year to see what our stable of high-level prospects can do when given the chance. Some are earning the right to stay, others aren't. Presumably, those that aren't will get sent packing and the team will continue to build around those who earned it. That means a new round of prospects coming in to "audition" next year. If things go well and Bloom is the quality some say he is then 2027 might be a very good year. But temper your expectations for '26.
With all due respect, I wasn't agreeing with her assertion. Or at least the way the OP characterized it.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:24 pmExactly!!
Not sure why people are knocking Woo's reporting on this. She's been pretty spot on with most of her reporting the last few years. Besides, I'm not convinced a lot of fans know what a rebuild is, so it's probably good that she gets the information out there.