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BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:04 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:41 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

Actually, Red, we're watching a number of youngish major league players who are working on improving, as
their experience curve moves upward. Winn, Herrera, Burleson, Scott, Sagesse, Walker, Liberatore, etc.

The players you're probably referring to are Wetherholt, Baez, Baez, Jordan, Mathews, Doyle, Crooks, etc.

Scott, Sagesse, Gorman and Walker are not ready to face MLB pitching on a daily basis.

true

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

He calls it AAA because it has AAA guys who haven’t hit their stride. That’s a given. As for wanting it now, red is aging. Plus, he has been waiting awhile. Been a minute or two since we knew greatness. That too, is a given.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:18 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.

And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:

A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”

You forgot "Awful, Just Awful"

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:22 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:18 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.

And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:

A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”

Not defending Red here, but anyone who isn't answering D is kidding themselves. This is what the 2025 season has always been about. Sure, we had some fools gold getting in the way in late June as the Cardinals held a wildcard spot, but in a rebuilding year a fan should understand that he's going to have to learn how to enjoy a rebuild or be better off finding something else to capture his sports entertainment eye. That's just accepting reality.

Yeah, I get that, and I'd be right there with you -- if they actually rebuilt. But as is always the case with this team, they never actually pick a direction. Even in the offseason, they took care to tell everyone that this was NOT a "rebuild," but a "reset." And then as the season started, the messaging was "we actually think we can compete with this group." It's tough to fault people for not knowing what to expect when they can't decide which direction they want to go.

I don't like the narrative that gets pushed a lot -- "Cardinal fans can't stomach a rebuild." How do we know that? Cardinal fans can't stomach a half-rebuild, or a sometimes-rebuild, or a whatever the hell this is. Pick a lane, be transparent, and execute.

desertrat23 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:18 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.

And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:

A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”

That's kinda funny

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 11:35 am

desertrat23 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:18 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.

And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:

A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”

You forgot "Awful, Just Awful"

Yeah, that sometimes goes with A, but probably worth its own letter.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:04 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:41 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

Actually, Red, we're watching a number of youngish major league players who are working on improving, as
their experience curve moves upward. Winn, Herrera, Burleson, Scott, Sagesse, Walker, Liberatore, etc.

The players you're probably referring to are Wetherholt, Baez, Baez, Jordan, Mathews, Doyle, Crooks, etc.

Scott, Sagesse, Gorman and Walker are not ready to face MLB pitching on a daily basis. They need some platoon protection. Winn and Herrera look pretty good. Burleson is the biggest, slowest singles hitter ever.

Scott is 24 yrs old, Gorman is 25 with 1200 ABs when are these guys "ready"? Its more likely that Gorman, Sagesse and Scott at least are to some degree just JAGs or in Scotts case a good glove guy but a very light bat. Ultimately management has not been able to field a balanced line up of good vets and younger guys. Winn, Burleson and Herrera look good, Donovan is good the Cards need to decided if they want to spend come cash to supplement the parts they have or languish and wait for miracles

Harry S Deals wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:38 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:04 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:41 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

Actually, Red, we're watching a number of youngish major league players who are working on improving, as
their experience curve moves upward. Winn, Herrera, Burleson, Scott, Sagesse, Walker, Liberatore, etc.

The players you're probably referring to are Wetherholt, Baez, Baez, Jordan, Mathews, Doyle, Crooks, etc.

Scott, Sagesse, Gorman and Walker are not ready to face MLB pitching on a daily basis. They need some platoon protection. Winn and Herrera look pretty good. Burleson is the biggest, slowest singles hitter ever.

Scott is 24 yrs old, Gorman is 25 with 1200 ABs when are these guys "ready"? Its more likely that Gorman, Sagesse and Scott at least are to some degree just JAGs or in Scotts case a good glove guy but a very light bat. Ultimately management has not been able to field a balanced line up of good vets and younger guys. Winn, Burleson and Herrera look good, Donovan is good the Cards need to decided if they want to spend come cash to supplement the parts they have or languish and wait for miracles

Agree 100% Harry.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

19 years ago, 14 years ago, 12 years ago respectively. The game changes. They didn't.

Apparently if someone criticizes the front office...the go-to response is...We were great....so there!...and the fans should stop whining and watch old videos of how great we were! And all the new guys may be HOFers.

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm With trying to compete on a Major League level.

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Again, living in the past.

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 18:39 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:07 am

How soon you forget, Red.

How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.

Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.

Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.

Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Again, living in the past.

Maybe I just recognize and appreciate tradition and legacy more than you do, Red. I guess you’re part of the “what have you done for me lately” crowd. Thought that was for younger posters, but guess not.

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 18:51 pm

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 18:39 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:59 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:33 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:27 pm

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:56 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:51 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:20 am

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:08 am

Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny

He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.

Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.

One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.

I’m muffed.

There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.

What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.

Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.

How long do they wait for them to hit their stride until they retire? This is Nootbaars 5th year and he proved again he cant stay healthy, its walkers third year he has a ,604 OPS and has sucked the past the two years. Gorman showing he sucks at third and in his fourth year and has a .709 OPS and under a .700 OPS last season. Burly and Donovan are complimentary players. Theres not one player on the team and say that is the guy to build a team around

Preach it Oz.
How long did it take at the ML level for McGee, Coleman, Lankford, Pujols, Carp, to prove they could be above avg players?? This frontier league tryout session is for FO types who have NO CLUE what a winner looks like

They had no clue in 2006, 2011, and 2013?

Again, living in the past.

Maybe I just recognize and appreciate tradition and legacy more than you do, Red. I guess you’re part of the “what have you done for me lately” crowd. Thought that was for younger posters, but guess not.

What the hell are you talking about?