Gorman seems to suck at 3b

[rockondlouie]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

Agreed can’t have it both ways. We need to see what we have in him. Like you said maybe his bat can offset his average to poor defense. Solid arm can help.

Really like the idea of swapping him late in the game when up.

[rockondlouie]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

Agreed can’t have it both ways. We need to see what we have in him. Like you said maybe his bat can offset his average to poor defense. Solid arm can help.

Really like the idea of swapping him late in the game when up.

Not many Rolen's or NADO's in their prime to be found, they end up in Cooperstown.

If he gets things going offensively (Showing some good slging signs in his last 50 PA's: 3 HR/.238 .319 .452 .772) and hits 30+ HR's while driving in 90 runs, then hopefully he's no worse than league average at 3rd.

Of course it's going to take NADO being dealt this winter for that to happen, till then he'll probably see more time at DH.

[redbirdfan51]

Let Gorman play the rest of the season there and let's see.

He's not going to be Arenado or Oberkfell for that matter but a number of games is needed to get a more valid evaluation.

Frankly his fielding is going to come second to what he can do offensively.

If he doesn't hit it won't matter.

In all fairness, Gorman has not played all that much at 3B for quite some time. Cards aren't going anywhere this season, give him the rest of the season to prove if his future is at 3B or for that a future as a Cardinal. I see the only alternatives at 3B outside of of Nado, are Saggese or Wetherholt.

[BrummerStealsHome]

Here's the thing with Gorman. Either play him at third for a stretch while Nado heals, or get rid of him. As a fan I've been patient with him, but if he doesn't immediately turn all the potential into performance than move on from him. It's time. It's almost past time.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

Agreed can’t have it both ways. We need to see what we have in him. Like you said maybe his bat can offset his average to poor defense. Solid arm can help.

Really like the idea of swapping him late in the game when up.

Not many Rolen's or NADO's in their prime to be found, they end up in Cooperstown.

If he gets things going offensively (Showing some good slging signs in his last 50 PA's: 3 HR/.238 .319 .452 .772) and hits 30+ HR's while driving in 90 runs, then hopefully he's no worse than league average at 3rd.

Of course it's going to take NADO being dealt this winter for that to happen, till then he'll probably see more time at DH.

I’m about as bearish as you can get when it comes to them moving Nado. With that said I don’t think Chaim will get hung up on him either and continue to groom the roster and improve the team. With or without Nado.

[12xu]

Gorman has never shown to be anything close to a "glove man" at any position. If he could improve his performance at the plate, his lack of fielding prowess could be tolerated. Eventually he would be best suited at 1B or DH, but in the current Cardinals' need - 3B is where he should play.

[Carp4Cy]

I’m not trying to defend Gorman BUT we have watched a premier defensive 3B the last several years. We tend to think that every player can make the plays that we have seen made at the hot corner. I remember when Ozzie retired. It was hard watching other SS not make plays that we had seen made for years.

And then we got Renteria and it was acceptable again. This franchise should have standards and maintain them.

[rockondlouie]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

Agreed can’t have it both ways. We need to see what we have in him. Like you said maybe his bat can offset his average to poor defense. Solid arm can help.

Really like the idea of swapping him late in the game when up.

Not many Rolen's or NADO's in their prime to be found, they end up in Cooperstown.

If he gets things going offensively (Showing some good slging signs in his last 50 PA's: 3 HR/.238 .319 .452 .772) and hits 30+ HR's while driving in 90 runs, then hopefully he's no worse than league average at 3rd.

Of course it's going to take NADO being dealt this winter for that to happen, till then he'll probably see more time at DH.

I’m about as bearish as you can get when it comes to them moving Nado. With that said I don’t think Chaim will get hung up on him either and continue to groom the roster and improve the team. With or without Nado.

Same here Alex

Unless BDWJr is willing to eat $20M, then I can't see him moving.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Dewitt had to eat $20M and the only team that wanted him was the Rockies?

I could see a new Manager, who along w/Bloom has NO TIES to NADO, platooning him if his hitting flounders again in 2026.

[12xu]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

Agreed can’t have it both ways. We need to see what we have in him. Like you said maybe his bat can offset his average to poor defense. Solid arm can help.

Really like the idea of swapping him late in the game when up.

Not many Rolen's or NADO's in their prime to be found, they end up in Cooperstown.

If he gets things going offensively (Showing some good slging signs in his last 50 PA's: 3 HR/.238 .319 .452 .772) and hits 30+ HR's while driving in 90 runs, then hopefully he's no worse than league average at 3rd.

Of course it's going to take NADO being dealt this winter for that to happen, till then he'll probably see more time at DH.

I’m about as bearish as you can get when it comes to them moving Nado. With that said I don’t think Chaim will get hung up on him either and continue to groom the roster and improve the team. With or without Nado.

Same here Alex

Unless BDWJr is willing to eat $20M, then I can't see him moving.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Dewitt had to eat $20M and the only team that wanted him was the Rockies?

I could see a new Manager, who along w/Bloom has NO TIES to NADO, platooning him if his hitting flounders again in 2026.

Yesterday, I was thinking of bad contracts the Cardinals could take on from a team who might want Arenado. I thought of the Rockies' struggling LH starter Kyle Freeland, whose ERA has been over 5 for three years now. He is owed $16 MM next year and has a vesting option of $17 MM for 2027. Maybe he could enjoy pitching in St. Louis and improve his performance. BIG problem is that Arenado has that NTC and I don't think he would want to return to Colorado.

IMO if Bloom cannot find a reasonable trade offer for Arenado, his playing time in St. Louis must be curtailed unless he suddenly starts hitting like it's 2022 again.

[rockondlouie]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

Agreed can’t have it both ways. We need to see what we have in him. Like you said maybe his bat can offset his average to poor defense. Solid arm can help.

Really like the idea of swapping him late in the game when up.

Not many Rolen's or NADO's in their prime to be found, they end up in Cooperstown.

If he gets things going offensively (Showing some good slging signs in his last 50 PA's: 3 HR/.238 .319 .452 .772) and hits 30+ HR's while driving in 90 runs, then hopefully he's no worse than league average at 3rd.

Of course it's going to take NADO being dealt this winter for that to happen, till then he'll probably see more time at DH.

I’m about as bearish as you can get when it comes to them moving Nado. With that said I don’t think Chaim will get hung up on him either and continue to groom the roster and improve the team. With or without Nado.

Same here Alex

Unless BDWJr is willing to eat $20M, then I can't see him moving.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Dewitt had to eat $20M and the only team that wanted him was the Rockies?

I could see a new Manager, who along w/Bloom has NO TIES to NADO, platooning him if his hitting flounders again in 2026.

Yesterday, I was thinking of bad contracts the Cardinals could take on from a team who might want Arenado. I thought of the Rockies' struggling LH starter Kyle Freeland, whose ERA has been over 5 for three years now. He is owed $16 MM next year and has a vesting option of $17 MM for 2027. Maybe he could enjoy pitching in St. Louis and improve his performance. BIG problem is that Arenado has that NTC and I don't think he would want to return to Colorado.

IMO if Bloom cannot find a reasonable trade offer for Arenado, his playing time in St. Louis must be curtailed unless he suddenly starts hitting like it's 2022 again.

I could see that

If NADO goes into the Hall of Fame it will be wearing a Rockies hat.

I also think he might, might waive the NTC to go back to Denver where he was a star.

Agree on the playing time.

That's why (IMO) it could happen since Bloom and his new Manager (PLEASE!) have no responsibility for the trade/contract.

Gorman has to be given no less that 50% of the time at 3rd base in 2026 when he's not DHing.

I think Bloom will convince BDWr to eat at least $20M and hopefully a team NADO will waive takes the risk.

[dugoutrex]

Let's give him some time before we start judging.

Moving from one side of the infield, after you've been there since you were brought up, to the other takes some time to adjust.

He's got the arm strength, just needs time to adjust his throws.

Norman will NEVER, EVER make us forget S. Rolen or NADO, let alone Obie or Pendleton.

But if he hits for power, then the team can live w/his lesser defense.

His power bat, if it comes around, is exactly what's needed at 3rd base.

You can also move Donny to 3rd for defense late in games.

Agreed can’t have it both ways. We need to see what we have in him. Like you said maybe his bat can offset his average to poor defense. Solid arm can help.

Really like the idea of swapping him late in the game when up.

unfortunately his bat sucks too!

[Chitownredbird]

That's 2 errors that led to runs in 2 games. Nado would've had both of them easily.

Yes, the last 5 years for Cardinal fans we watched a 10 time Gold Glove at 3rd.
We won’t see that again.
Same as when Yadi was behind the plate.

And some fans here just couldn't wait for both of them to be gone. Be very careful what you wish for.

Just because Gorman sucks more doesn’t mean people should wish for arenado who sucks slightly less. either way you have a player who sucks at third

They've wanted to trade Nado all year to "make room", not so we can get Eugenio Suarez in here...

its the wrong motivation and the wrong outcome. Also Nado doesn't suck at defense.

Yea but a good defensive third baseman who sucks with the bat is not the guy you want on a team like this. They should trade nado he is not going to lead the cardinals to the promise land he would be good on a team that has a good lineup where he can solidify the defense for the cardinals he is just an anchor that drags them down.

He doesn't drag the team down. That's just a false narrative that posters tell themselves. He simply doesn't do enough to push the team forward. But neither does anyone else. Get someone who is better than Nado in all ways first - then think about trading him.

lol it’s funny if you really believe he’s an asset to the team Even idiot mo knows he’s not that’s why he’s been desperate to trade him

With DeWit, it’s always about the money.

[scoutyjones2]

That's 2 errors that led to runs in 2 games. Nado would've had both of them easily.

Yes, the last 5 years for Cardinal fans we watched a 10 time Gold Glove at 3rd.
We won’t see that again.
Same as when Yadi was behind the plate.

And some fans here just couldn't wait for both of them to be gone. Be very careful what you wish for.

LoL. They all go eventually

[ClassicO]

That's 2 errors that led to runs in 2 games. Nado would've had both of them easily.

Yes, the last 5 years for Cardinal fans we watched a 10 time Gold Glove at 3rd.
We won’t see that again.
Same as when Yadi was behind the plate.

And some fans here just couldn't wait for both of them to be gone. Be very careful what you wish for.

Just because Gorman sucks more doesn’t mean people should wish for arenado who sucks slightly less. either way you have a player who sucks at third

They've wanted to trade Nado all year to "make room", not so we can get Eugenio Suarez in here...

its the wrong motivation and the wrong outcome. Also Nado doesn't suck at defense.

I know Eugenio Suarez has come back strong with the bat, but Geez - he's -4 DRS and -5 OAA at 3b. If you think Gorman would suck on defense...
But he'll have a lot of offers as a FA at year's end.

[govman]

Gorman has some physical tools but I question whether he has it between the ears?
He’s on the clock.
Wetherholt is looming in 2026 and we have Donovan.

don't you mean doe he have it along his spine, since he's always having back problems