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Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:26 pm
by 82birds
Strummer Jones wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:23 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
I'm as PO'd about this deadline as anyone, but there's absolutely NO way you QO Maton.

I love Phil. I hate to see him go. I want him to come back. But under no circumstances do I want to pay him 20+ million dollars.
agree with ya SJ

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
by jcgmoi
The name is Hales not Hayes.
Hales is a tightly-wound athlete who has already touched 99 mph this year, and is an anti-lefty weapon away from being big league ready. That could make for a quick ascent or a slow boil.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
by renostl
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
Would you give
Helsley or Matz or Maton
a QO?

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
by Jobu's Rum
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:24 pm
Strummer Jones wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:23 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
I'm as PO'd about this deadline as anyone, but there's absolutely NO way you QO Maton.

I love Phil. I hate to see him go. I want him to come back. But under no circumstances do I want to pay him 20+ million dollars.
Haha no I know. Just can't believe this is the best we could do for these guys. Really disappointing last couple days.
Not trying to get something QUALITY for Donnie is a crime, I would have taken cash only for Noot just to be rid of that poser.
Moe is a f'in loser

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
by Ronnie Dobbs
Jobu's Rum wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:25 pm This looks like your standard bland Moe the clown 'quantity over quality' special.

I really hate this guy
No, it looks like your standard this is what you get for a 32 year old journeyman middle reliever special. Not sure why anyone would expect much more.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:29 pm
by Strummer Jones
Jobu's Rum wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:25 pm This looks like your standard bland Moe the clown 'quantity over quality' special.

I really hate this guy
I'll drink to that. Probably more tonight than I otherwise would.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:30 pm
by ClassicO
renostl wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
Would you give
Helsley or Matz or Maton
a QO?
I'm pretty sure the QO is $21.4M no matter who you are, so that's a big NO. What if they took it!

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:31 pm
by Jobu's Rum
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:25 pm This looks like your standard bland Moe the clown 'quantity over quality' special.

I really hate this guy
No, it looks like your standard this is what you get for a 32 year old journeyman middle reliever special. Not sure why anyone would expect much more.


I get that, but Moe lacks creativity, he could have easily packaged Maton and Nootbaar for a top 10-15 at least. Just more mediocre bleh, which is his specialty

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:32 pm
by Sweet Jones
Jobu's Rum wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:31 pm
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:25 pm This looks like your standard bland Moe the clown 'quantity over quality' special.

I really hate this guy
No, it looks like your standard this is what you get for a 32 year old journeyman middle reliever special. Not sure why anyone would expect much more.


I get that, but Moe lacks creativity, he could have easily packaged Maton and Nootbaar for a top 10-15 at least. Just more mediocre bleh, which is his specialty
To who?

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:34 pm
by Clubmaker2
Maton has been good. Did cards ever discuss what extension would cost as they need same type next year and also another guy to replace helsley.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:38 pm
by imyourhuckleberry
Clubmaker2 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:34 pm Maton has been good. Did cards ever discuss what extension would cost as they need same type next year and also another guy to replace helsley.
I'm sure Bloom has a very good idea what an extension looks like. But why extend him when you can get a couple of prospects and re-sign him in the off-season?

Not to mention, he has every bit as good a chance (or more) of being terrible next year than he does repeating this year. Such is the case for journeyman relievers.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:40 pm
by bfib
Aday96 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:13 pm Waiting til the last second and that's the best return Mo could get? Pretty underwhelming with how good Maton has been this year and what relievers have been returning this deadline. Classic Mo deadline playing it safe.
Buddy he’s a rental RP. Not worth much. Couple lottery tickets and you hope your scouting/development team can hit.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:42 pm
by bfib
renostl wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:28 pm
sdaltons wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:19 pm I have to ask again if this return is really better than giving a QO and him signing elsewhere.

Truly feels like they moved these guys just to move them.
Would you give
Helsley or Matz or Maton
a QO?
Helsley yes. The other two of course not

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:42 pm
by Clubmaker2
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:38 pm
Clubmaker2 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:34 pm Maton has been good. Did cards ever discuss what extension would cost as they need same type next year and also another guy to replace helsley.
I'm sure Bloom has a very good idea what an extension looks like. But why extend him when you can get a couple of prospects and re-sign him in the off-season?

Not to mention, he has every bit as good a chance (or more) of being terrible next year than he does repeating this year. Such is the case for journeyman relievers.
Some decent points, but they guys you have you know if they have underlying injuries, is a plus.

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:48 pm
by imyourhuckleberry
Clubmaker2 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:42 pm
imyourhuckleberry wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:38 pm
Clubmaker2 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:34 pm Maton has been good. Did cards ever discuss what extension would cost as they need same type next year and also another guy to replace helsley.
I'm sure Bloom has a very good idea what an extension looks like. But why extend him when you can get a couple of prospects and re-sign him in the off-season?

Not to mention, he has every bit as good a chance (or more) of being terrible next year than he does repeating this year. Such is the case for journeyman relievers.
Some decent points, but they guys you have you know if they have underlying injuries, is a plus.
True.

Also, since you can't tamper with your own player, the two sides could have already talked contract before the trade.

'Glad we're on the same page as far as what a future contract looks like for you. We'll be in touch in November. Good luck in the playoffs!'

Re: Maton to Rangers

Posted: 31 Jul 2025 17:48 pm
by RunSup
craviduce wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:12 pm
Futuregm2 wrote: 31 Jul 2025 17:08 pm WE GOT MOLINA!!!!

Oh wait LHP Mason Molina

And RHP Skyler Hales
International Slot Money, too 8)
Oh nice bonus.