I don't think Contreras was a 'bad' catcher, just couldn't stay healthy back therewoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:40 pmNor can contrerasmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:14 pmand I think you'll get your wish at some point, but don't think it'll be on a regular basis. the only reason we have so many on the big league roster is due to him not being able to do it very wellwoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:09 pmHave never seen a 26 man roster with so many catchers who can’t catch. This has to be some kind of symbolism for the state of the entire organization.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 11:06 amhonestly, the combination of Herrera not being good behind the plate and his leg issues, I pretty much think that ship has sailedwoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 10:36 amIf you believe the Cardinals aren’t that good of a team, as I believe, then the goal should be to get guys ABs. Since they’re not chasing a WS, Herreras defensive abilities behind the plate don’t matter as much as getting Gorman 200 more ABs. This way, Gorman can DH, Donovan plays 2B, Walker plays RF and either Burleson or Noot ends up getting traded, either at the deadline or in the offseason. Noot could also play some CF. Neither the nor Scott have been all that good. Neither deserves to start ever day. There’s my logic.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:32 pmNot serious are you?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 14:00 pmJust have Herrera catch.IndCard75 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 13:58 pm Pending a trade I feel like last nights line up is kind of set right now. Gorman is still young and needs to play every day imo. So my question is, when he comes back from IL can he be sent down on rehab assignment? And for how long? At least that would get him some regular at bats.
I’ll also add that Pages behind the plate, is not gold glove caliber by any measure. He needs no further runway
I’d still have him catch and risk another IL stint. Then figure out his full-time position in the offseason.
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Yes. Mel has been dead wrong on Gorman but also Donovan, as he said before the 2022 season: "relying on him (and Noot) as the LH solution to the team's woeful performance against RH pitching ... would be utter foolishness." Fool.CardsBest wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:58 pmYou are just trying to defend your idiotic stance of how great Gorman was. He should have been traded long before now. You were wrong about him. He is an oft injured and often pathetic hitter. Donovan is an All-Star second baseman and they have Wetherholt knocking on the door.Melville wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:50 pmHis back is fine.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 14:00 pm Anyone else think this is weird and going to be a huge issue. Go into the ASB and have a bad back and it's still not rectified a week later???
Sell
That's not why he is on the IL.
If needed, he would be active.
Team simply needs to create space.
He is being stashed - just as Walker and Mootbaar have recently been - to buy a little time.
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The Cardinals pitching staff would say otherwise. He had a stigma of being bad defensively when they signed him too. Hes not that goodmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:51 pmI don't think Contreras was a 'bad' catcher, just couldn't stay healthy back therewoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:40 pmNor can contrerasmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:14 pmand I think you'll get your wish at some point, but don't think it'll be on a regular basis. the only reason we have so many on the big league roster is due to him not being able to do it very wellwoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:09 pmHave never seen a 26 man roster with so many catchers who can’t catch. This has to be some kind of symbolism for the state of the entire organization.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 11:06 amhonestly, the combination of Herrera not being good behind the plate and his leg issues, I pretty much think that ship has sailedwoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 10:36 amIf you believe the Cardinals aren’t that good of a team, as I believe, then the goal should be to get guys ABs. Since they’re not chasing a WS, Herreras defensive abilities behind the plate don’t matter as much as getting Gorman 200 more ABs. This way, Gorman can DH, Donovan plays 2B, Walker plays RF and either Burleson or Noot ends up getting traded, either at the deadline or in the offseason. Noot could also play some CF. Neither the nor Scott have been all that good. Neither deserves to start ever day. There’s my logic.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:32 pmNot serious are you?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 14:00 pmJust have Herrera catch.IndCard75 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 13:58 pm Pending a trade I feel like last nights line up is kind of set right now. Gorman is still young and needs to play every day imo. So my question is, when he comes back from IL can he be sent down on rehab assignment? And for how long? At least that would get him some regular at bats.
I’ll also add that Pages behind the plate, is not gold glove caliber by any measure. He needs no further runway
I’d still have him catch and risk another IL stint. Then figure out his full-time position in the offseason.
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I believe his 'stigma' was his game calling and general lack of knowledge of the pitching staff. and if that's true, that's definitely a problem.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 14:45 pmThe Cardinals pitching staff would say otherwise. He had a stigma of being bad defensively when they signed him too. Hes not that goodmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:51 pmI don't think Contreras was a 'bad' catcher, just couldn't stay healthy back therewoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 13:40 pmNor can contrerasmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:14 pmand I think you'll get your wish at some point, but don't think it'll be on a regular basis. the only reason we have so many on the big league roster is due to him not being able to do it very wellwoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 12:09 pmHave never seen a 26 man roster with so many catchers who can’t catch. This has to be some kind of symbolism for the state of the entire organization.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 11:06 amhonestly, the combination of Herrera not being good behind the plate and his leg issues, I pretty much think that ship has sailedwoofy25 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 10:36 amIf you believe the Cardinals aren’t that good of a team, as I believe, then the goal should be to get guys ABs. Since they’re not chasing a WS, Herreras defensive abilities behind the plate don’t matter as much as getting Gorman 200 more ABs. This way, Gorman can DH, Donovan plays 2B, Walker plays RF and either Burleson or Noot ends up getting traded, either at the deadline or in the offseason. Noot could also play some CF. Neither the nor Scott have been all that good. Neither deserves to start ever day. There’s my logic.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 20:32 pmNot serious are you?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 14:00 pmJust have Herrera catch.IndCard75 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 13:58 pm Pending a trade I feel like last nights line up is kind of set right now. Gorman is still young and needs to play every day imo. So my question is, when he comes back from IL can he be sent down on rehab assignment? And for how long? At least that would get him some regular at bats.
I’ll also add that Pages behind the plate, is not gold glove caliber by any measure. He needs no further runway
I’d still have him catch and risk another IL stint. Then figure out his full-time position in the offseason.
but his catching, blocking, throwing..etc.. seemed fine. BUT.. not knowing the staff is a big deal
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Absolute perfect analysis.Melville wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:50 pmHis back is fine.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 14:00 pm Anyone else think this is weird and going to be a huge issue. Go into the ASB and have a bad back and it's still not rectified a week later???
Sell
That's not why he is on the IL.
If needed, he would be active.
Team simply needs to create space.
He is being stashed - just as Walker and Mootbaar have recently been - to buy a little time.
Again.
Gorman's back - and right on time.
Stashed until the deadline passed.
Folks, this stuff ain't hard.
My advice?
Keep reading.
Keep learning.
Re: Question Gorman IL then rehab
Melville wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 18:58 pmAbsolute perfect analysis.Melville wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:50 pmHis back is fine.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 14:00 pm Anyone else think this is weird and going to be a huge issue. Go into the ASB and have a bad back and it's still not rectified a week later???
Sell
That's not why he is on the IL.
If needed, he would be active.
Team simply needs to create space.
He is being stashed - just as Walker and Mootbaar have recently been - to buy a little time.
Again.
Gorman's back - and right on time.
Stashed until the deadline passed.
Folks, this stuff ain't hard.
My advice?
Keep reading.
Keep learning.
