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Hoosier59 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 19:50 pm I’ve spoken to Mo personally and he did come across smug and condescending! I asked him a legitimate question about the line up and how he saw it shaping up, and he kinda made fun of the question and ended by asking me “ what would I do “. So, I told him and he responded by telling how they don’t really value batting averages and a bunch of blah blah blah! However, that opening day, they started the exact line up I quoted him and in the same order.

OldRed wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 11:14 am

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 10:40 am What causes any poster to say that Mo has a “punchable face”? That’s pure personal opinion, and symbolic of personal attack.

You ask for individual opinions and then challenge their personal opinions.

Adam2 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 11:19 am Question for Cranny specifically:

This is not me being a wise-A@@, honest question.

why do you expend so much time and energy focused on always defending ownership and the front office? i know you said in this thread you understood Mo has not been great generally the last decade, but any thread at all that brings up criticism of the front office you always have to jump in and defend

I'm not saying you are correct or incorrect in your responses, i am just genuinely curious

imyourhuckleberry wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:30 pm After the Cards won the NL pennant in 2013 (without Pujols), Mo had job security for life (if he hadn't already had it prior). At that time, he could have hired a management team and empowered them to make decisions based on their skills and expertise and allowing the club to change with the times and evolve.

Instead, for reasons we'll likely never fully know, he chose to dig a foxhole deep and well-fortified and populate it with only himself. Without fresh ideas and the willingness to recognize that the management style that brought the team so much success for the prior 20-odd years was not going the work going forward, the organization stagnated. While his total body of work is matched by very few of his peers, the last decade's worth of mediocrity is on him, and no one else. Whether or not he chooses to see it that way.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:21 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 11:19 am Question for Cranny specifically:

This is not me being a wise-A@@, honest question.

why do you expend so much time and energy focused on always defending ownership and the front office? i know you said in this thread you understood Mo has not been great generally the last decade, but any thread at all that brings up criticism of the front office you always have to jump in and defend

I'm not saying you are correct or incorrect in your responses, i am just genuinely curious

Adam2 -

Sometimes when a fan mentions both the good things and the bad things, they're accused of being biased and a pure front office supporter. People look at the good comments and forget or deny the bad comments. I have mentioned that I didn't like the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. And couldn't stand it when the traded Arozarena. But those posts were never noticed or acknowledged. I continued to be called a front office toadie. Just the way it is on anonymous forums.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 09:46 am Let me ask posters a question. Mo came to the Cardinals with Walt in 1995. He’s been with the Cardinals in various capacities up and down the organization for 30 years. During that time, the Cardinals have had four losing seasons. Four. And they have been in the World Series 3 times, winning 2 World Championships. He’s been honored by being named MLB Executive of the Year multiple times.

I’ll fully admit that the Cardinals have been disappointing over the past decade, with an abysmal
playoff record (when they even made the playoffs). Very disappointing to fans, including this one.

Criticize the downslide and various moves that didn’t work out, sure. But why all the vicious personal attacks? Cruel and nasty nicknames, making fun of the way he dresses, etc. One poster even wanted to assault him and smash him in the face. Another talked about bird feces on him.

Express disappointment and display frustration, sure, but why all the other nasty personal stuff? Maybe we should recognize both the good and the bad over 30 years.

RunSup wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 07:21 am

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 09:46 am Let me ask posters a question. Mo came to the Cardinals with Walt in 1995. He’s been with the Cardinals in various capacities up and down the organization for 30 years. During that time, the Cardinals have had four losing seasons. Four. And they have been in the World Series 3 times, winning 2 World Championships. He’s been honored by being named MLB Executive of the Year multiple times.

I’ll fully admit that the Cardinals have been disappointing over the past decade, with an abysmal
playoff record (when they even made the playoffs). Very disappointing to fans, including this one.

Criticize the downslide and various moves that didn’t work out, sure. But why all the vicious personal attacks? Cruel and nasty nicknames, making fun of the way he dresses, etc. One poster even wanted to assault him and smash him in the face. Another talked about bird feces on him.

Express disappointment and display frustration, sure, but why all the other nasty personal stuff? Maybe we should recognize both the good and the bad over 30 years.

The one thing CT has taught, Cardinal fans are not as classy as the media gives them credit for. At least not in an anonymous message board.

Goldfan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 07:57 am Mo admitted HE’s been ARROGANT…..he said those words…..not some CT poster
Either he is mandated to lie and act aloof by the owner or he just is on his own
He talks to some of the most knowledgeable fans in baseball like he’s a drunk teenager coming home WAY past curfew and attempting to explain to parents that he’s perfectly sober and his watch battery must’ve died…..
And if you walk around ST. LOUIS……dressed like a Harvard elitist ready to board your yacht while doing all the above….perhaps you rub people the wrong way.

OldRed wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 07:17 am

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:21 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 11:19 am Question for Cranny specifically:

This is not me being a wise-A@@, honest question.

why do you expend so much time and energy focused on always defending ownership and the front office? i know you said in this thread you understood Mo has not been great generally the last decade, but any thread at all that brings up criticism of the front office you always have to jump in and defend

I'm not saying you are correct or incorrect in your responses, i am just genuinely curious

Adam2 -

Sometimes when a fan mentions both the good things and the bad things, they're accused of being biased and a pure front office supporter. People look at the good comments and forget or deny the bad comments. I have mentioned that I didn't like the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. And couldn't stand it when the traded Arozarena. But those posts were never noticed or acknowledged. I continued to be called a front office toadie. Just the way it is on anonymous forums.

I do remember you never liking Fowler, but don't remember you not like the others. Fact I do remember you mentioning Arozarena after he let out the Shildt's clubhouse talk.

Cranny wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 21:21 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 11:19 am Question for Cranny specifically:

This is not me being a wise-A@@, honest question.

why do you expend so much time and energy focused on always defending ownership and the front office? i know you said in this thread you understood Mo has not been great generally the last decade, but any thread at all that brings up criticism of the front office you always have to jump in and defend

I'm not saying you are correct or incorrect in your responses, i am just genuinely curious

Adam2 -

Sometimes when a fan mentions both the good things and the bad things, they're accused of being biased and a pure front office supporter. People look at the good comments and forget or deny the bad comments. I have mentioned that I didn't like the Fowler, Leake, and Cecil signings. And couldn't stand it when the traded Arozarena. But those posts were never noticed or acknowledged. I continued to be called a front office toadie. Just the way it is on anonymous forums.

82birds wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 11:30 am

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 10:02 am Ok, I'll bite.

He's been employed WAY past his expiration date. He's done hardly anything of note for the last many years. The Arenado and Goldschmidt deals were like gimme putts. If any real effort was needed to get what the team needed for postseason success, he usually punted. Dry powder, low hanging fruit and arbitrage. Yeah, that's a word he actually used. And a guy returning from the IL was 'just like making a trade'.

The money our disinterested owner provided for salaries, Moe pretty much wasted on stupid contracts and extensions, too many to mention here. The coaching and minor league system went to hell. Remember the women's softball coach who was hired as the assistant hitting coach? Does that sound like something a proud major league team would do?

He's been the face of the team for many years and has a smug, I know everything attitude about him. He and the owners thought the fans were suckers that would show up for anything. I'll admit, it took a while for most the of the fans to figure out they were being scammed. But look at the attendance now!

I don't get into the personal attacks myself, (in fact I hardly ever post) but I can understand when frustrated fans do. This team went from being a standard bearer of the National League to being just another team to beat up on. On his watch. I won't miss him.

^that is excellent Ordinary Man !

Goldfan wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 07:57 am And if you walk around ST. LOUIS……dressed like a Harvard elitist ready to board your yacht while doing all the above….perhaps you rub people the wrong way.

82birds wrote: ↑26 Jul 2025 09:05 am

82birds wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 11:30 am

Ordinary Man wrote: ↑25 Jul 2025 10:02 am Ok, I'll bite.

He's been employed WAY past his expiration date. He's done hardly anything of note for the last many years. The Arenado and Goldschmidt deals were like gimme putts. If any real effort was needed to get what the team needed for postseason success, he usually punted. Dry powder, low hanging fruit and arbitrage. Yeah, that's a word he actually used. And a guy returning from the IL was 'just like making a trade'.

The money our disinterested owner provided for salaries, Moe pretty much wasted on stupid contracts and extensions, too many to mention here. The coaching and minor league system went to hell. Remember the women's softball coach who was hired as the assistant hitting coach? Does that sound like something a proud major league team would do?

He's been the face of the team for many years and has a smug, I know everything attitude about him. He and the owners thought the fans were suckers that would show up for anything. I'll admit, it took a while for most the of the fans to figure out they were being scammed. But look at the attendance now!

I don't get into the personal attacks myself, (in fact I hardly ever post) but I can understand when frustrated fans do. This team went from being a standard bearer of the National League to being just another team to beat up on. On his watch. I won't miss him.

^that is excellent Ordinary Man !

I just re-read your post Ordinary Man.
that is superb !