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Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:12 pm
by Shady
craviduce wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:57 am
sdaltons wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:54 am
Right on the heels of losing his number. Poor Saggese.
he should've put the Number in the Box, then he wouldn't have had to think about the Box and the Number.
it happens every time. The number gets outside of the box and runs away
Totally obsessed. A Guru should not be distracted by a peasant. Wonder why that is.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:15 pm
by Red Bird Classic
RunSup wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:47 am
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:39 am
Will Walker get at bats with Noot out? I dont see it
Donovan LF
Herrera DH
Burleson RF
Contreas 1B
Gorman 2B
Arenado 3B
Winn SS
Pages C
Scott CF
Bench
Pozo
Walker
Fermin
Hampson
There will be a shuffle around 2B and 3B between Gorman, Donovan, and Arenado. When Donovan is at 2B, a corner OF spot opens.
Likewise there will be a shuffle between RF, DH and sometimes 1B
There are 4 starts a week for both Walker and Gordon.
If Hampson or Fermin see any time in RF or LF, Oli has screwed this up and should be fired for incompetence.
This is still a runway season. Dont be fooled. They are pretenders, not contenders in 2025. Just look who the SP is 3 out of 5 games. Plus Libby is getting gassed.
And trading Helsley, Maton and Matz by the deadline is just the smart thing to do.
I don't expect the Cardinals to be smart here. They are conflicted and wish washy.
It feels that way because you think the team's goal is winning. Their goal is actually maximizing profit and long-term value. The message they send and the tactics they use change to suit circumstances, but the goal is always max profit and value. Keeping that in mind is the only chance you've got to understand what they're doing.
Right now, they're trying to rebuild while pretending they are competing.
Remember BIll's model: There's a sucker born every minute and we've only got to sell tickets to a few of them.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:17 pm
by JuanAgosto
jcgmoi wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:32 am
I've stated previously that I think Walker is Atlanta bound, with relief pitching coming back.
I think now the Cards will include Saggese for more pitching.
Interesting. Do you have basis to this or just opinion? Not taking a jab, genuinely intrigued.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:19 pm
by Futuregm2
jcgmoi wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:32 am
I've stated previously that I think Walker is Atlanta bound, with relief pitching coming back.
I think now the Cards will include Saggese for more pitching.
If we traded him to Atlanta I would hope it’d be in a bigger deal for someone like Strider or Austin Riley.
I don’t think we’ll deal him for relief help. But I could also see him dealt to TB for someone like Taj Bradley who was a higher upside SP that hasn’t put it all together yet.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:20 pm
by Shady
jcgmoi wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:32 am
I've stated previously that I think Walker is Atlanta bound, with relief pitching coming back.
I think now the Cards will include Saggese for more pitching.
This last stint lilkely got Saggese on the potential trade list. Especially, considering Wetherholt is on the way.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:33 pm
by jcgmoi
Interesting. Do you have basis to this or just opinion? Not taking a jab, genuinely intrigued.
I don't mind an occasional jab but this is just an opinion.
Walker would be coming home and a deal to Atlanta would offer the Cards an easy way out from more disappointment. The Braves have to be confident they can do a better job developing him than the Cards have managed, and Atlanta needs OF bodies. Saggese is a versatile player who can hit, imo. Cards can choose from several big-league and minor arms. Not that much money involved. A deal would seem to work for both sides.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:39 pm
by jcgmoi
If we traded him to Atlanta I would hope it’d be in a bigger deal for someone like Strider or Austin Riley.
Nothing wrong with aiming high but come on. You don't often see stars and iffy youngsters swapped even up and what else do the Cards have to offer in a bigger deal that Atlanta could use? Donovan I guess if they bail on Albies. Liberatore? Winn? That would be a big one. Winn would get their attention but I think it'd take a lot more to pry loose either player you mentioned.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 12:47 pm
by Futuregm2
jcgmoi wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:39 pm
If we traded him to Atlanta I would hope it’d be in a bigger deal for someone like Strider or Austin Riley.
Nothing wrong with aiming high but come on. You don't often see stars and iffy youngsters swapped even up and what else do the Cards have to offer in a bigger deal that Atlanta could use? Donovan I guess if they bail on Albies. Liberatore? Winn? That would be a big one. Winn would get their attention but I think it'd take a lot more to pry loose either player you mentioned.
Obviously when I say “bigger” deal I’m not talking about even up.
For Strider it’d take Walker plus Mathews/Hence plus other pieces. I doubt Strider is available, less certain about Riley since his salary is $22 million a year for the next 7 years and while he’s a good name he’s been only solid the last couple years (.265/.323/.451 with 19 HR/56 RBI last year and 14 HR/48 RBI this year).
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 13:03 pm
by RunSup
Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:15 pm
RunSup wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:47 am
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:39 am
Will Walker get at bats with Noot out? I dont see it
Donovan LF
Herrera DH
Burleson RF
Contreas 1B
Gorman 2B
Arenado 3B
Winn SS
Pages C
Scott CF
Bench
Pozo
Walker
Fermin
Hampson
There will be a shuffle around 2B and 3B between Gorman, Donovan, and Arenado. When Donovan is at 2B, a corner OF spot opens.
Likewise there will be a shuffle between RF, DH and sometimes 1B
There are 4 starts a week for both Walker and Gordon.
If Hampson or Fermin see any time in RF or LF, Oli has screwed this up and should be fired for incompetence.
This is still a runway season. Dont be fooled. They are pretenders, not contenders in 2025. Just look who the SP is 3 out of 5 games. Plus Libby is getting gassed.
And trading Helsley, Maton and Matz by the deadline is just the smart thing to do.
I don't expect the Cardinals to be smart here. They are conflicted and wish washy.
It feels that way because you think the team's goal is winning. Their goal is actually maximizing profit and long-term value. The message they send and the tactics they use change to suit circumstances, but the goal is always max profit and value. Keeping that in mind is the only chance you've got to understand what they're doing.
Right now, they're trying to rebuild while pretending they are competing.
Remember BIll's model: There's a sucker born every minute and we've only got to sell tickets to a few of them.
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Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm
by TheFantasyStud
If only Herrera could catch
LF) Nootbaar
2B) Donavan
C) Herrera
1B) Contreras
DH) Burleson
RF) Walker
3B) Gorman
SS) Winn
Cf) Scott
I’d love that lineup. When Arenado is healthy make sure Gorman and Burleson play 5 games a week.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 13:44 pm
by Shady
TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm
If only Herrera could catch
LF) Nootbaar
2B) Donavan
C) Herrera
1B) Contreras
DH) Burleson
RF) Walker
3B) Gorman
SS) Winn
Cf) Scott
I’d love that lineup. When Arenado is healthy make sure Gorman and Burleson play 5 games a week.
"If only Herrera could catch". Or, If only Contreras could catch.
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 13:49 pm
by Red Bird Classic
Shady wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:44 pm
TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm
If only Herrera could catch
LF) Nootbaar
2B) Donavan
C) Herrera
1B) Contreras
DH) Burleson
RF) Walker
3B) Gorman
SS) Winn
Cf) Scott
I’d love that lineup. When Arenado is healthy make sure Gorman and Burleson play 5 games a week.
"If only Herrera could catch". Or, If only Contreras could catch.
Seems like we can field both hitters and fielders but not too many hitters who can field or fielders who can hit. Maybe the Cardinals can talk the league into employing NFL style offensive and defensive team system?
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 13:54 pm
by ClassicO
Shady wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:44 pm
TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm
If only Herrera could catch
LF) Nootbaar
2B) Donavan
C) Herrera
1B) Contreras
DH) Burleson
RF) Walker
3B) Gorman
SS) Winn
Cf) Scott
I’d love that lineup. When Arenado is healthy make sure Gorman and Burleson play 5 games a week.
"If only Herrera could catch". Or, If only Contreras could catch.
If only Pages could catch...
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 15:05 pm
by 82birds
RunSup wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:47 am
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:39 am
Will Walker get at bats with Noot out? I dont see it
Donovan LF
Herrera DH
Burleson RF
Contreas 1B
Gorman 2B
Arenado 3B
Winn SS
Pages C
Scott CF
Bench
Pozo
Walker
Fermin
Hampson
There will be a shuffle around 2B and 3B between Gorman, Donovan, and Arenado. When Donovan is at 2B, a corner OF spot opens.
Likewise there will be a shuffle between RF, DH and sometimes 1B
There are 4 starts a week for both Walker and Gordon.
If Hampson or Fermin see any time in RF or LF, Oli has screwed this up and should be fired for incompetence.
This is still a runway season. Dont be fooled. They are pretenders, not contenders in 2025. Just look who the SP is 3 out of 5 games. Plus Libby is getting gassed.
And trading Helsley, Maton and Matz by the deadline is just the smart thing to do. I don't expect the Cardinals to be smart here. They are conflicted and wish washy.
sadly, sooooooooo true
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 15:09 pm
by DickyBennett
Too much redundancy on roster
Re: Walker up, Saggese down
Posted: 18 Jul 2025 16:00 pm
by DFW Cards Fan
jcgmoi wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:39 pm
If we traded him to Atlanta I would hope it’d be in a bigger deal for someone like Strider or Austin Riley.
Nothing wrong with aiming high but come on. You don't often see stars and iffy youngsters swapped even up and what else do the Cards have to offer in a bigger deal that Atlanta could use? Donovan I guess if they bail on Albies. Liberatore? Winn? That would be a big one. Winn would get their attention but I think it'd take a lot more to pry loose either player you mentioned.
Walker is still just 23 (he's only ~6 months older than JJW who everyone is convinced is an untouchable second coming). No way I'd trade him for relief help in a year when this team has a 0% chance to beat any of the 6 best teams in the league in a 7 game series.