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Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:58 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:40 pmThis year we are 19th in payroll. $200M would put us 11th (or 10th if you don't count the useless Angels). That is about where we need to be for this fanbase and franchise to succeed and restore the ticket sales. Be more aggressive, and smart.

I agree with that. We're also in a "reset" year or whatever they wanna call it. Shedding some payroll for that kind of thing is very common. 19th in payroll is a big outlier over the past 25 years.

I do agree that they should get back to around the top 10 in payroll and if 19th in payroll becomes the standard rather than the outlier, then I will agree that not spending enough money is the problem.

CCard wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm "Reset" really only means "We're going to go cheap and not worry about winning." It doesn't really lead to anything but losing. Funny how terminology can be misleading.

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:07 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:49 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 07:35 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 07:07 am Not a surprise, but it's clear the Cards don't spend enough. You have to spend smart on FAs (inc. international) and on player development, but the team payroll for this franchise is sad.

Some of teams in upper tier have similar or worse records than middle tier. Pretty obvious.

Screenshot 2025-07-18 at 7.03.54 AM.png

How is it clear?

It’s not. Several teams at Cardinal level above 500 and in playoff hunt

If you don't see the cause and effect relationship in that chart, you don't know how to interpret a point chart.

Jatalk wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 14:10 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:07 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:49 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 07:35 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 07:07 am Not a surprise, but it's clear the Cards don't spend enough. You have to spend smart on FAs (inc. international) and on player development, but the team payroll for this franchise is sad.

Some of teams in upper tier have similar or worse records than middle tier. Pretty obvious.

Screenshot 2025-07-18 at 7.03.54 AM.png

How is it clear?

It’s not. Several teams at Cardinal level above 500 and in playoff hunt

If you don't see the cause and effect relationship in that chart, you don't know how to interpret a point chart.

Jatalk wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 14:13 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 14:10 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:07 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:49 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 07:35 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 07:07 am Not a surprise, but it's clear the Cards don't spend enough. You have to spend smart on FAs (inc. international) and on player development, but the team payroll for this franchise is sad.

Some of teams in upper tier have similar or worse records than middle tier. Pretty obvious.

Screenshot 2025-07-18 at 7.03.54 AM.png

How is it clear?

It’s not. Several teams at Cardinal level above 500 and in playoff hunt

If you don't see the cause and effect relationship in that chart, you don't know how to interpret a point chart.

Some teams in upper tier same or worse records than middle tier. Pretty obvious

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 12:31 pm

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 10:37 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 07:07 am Not a surprise, but it's clear the Cards don't spend enough. You have to spend smart on FAs (inc. international) and on player development, but the team payroll for this franchise is sad.



Screenshot 2025-07-18 at 7.03.54 AM.png

I'm sure that BDW and Chaim Bloom aspire to be included in the "Overachievers" category in blue on your graph. With teams like Tampa Bay, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Cleveland and Seattle. Yes, I know that BAL and CLE are having off years. If you think that BDW and Bloom are aiming to be in the green "Powerhouses" group, you will be sadly mistaken.

We dont' need to be either. If we win and have the right popular star players here that people want to see, we will draw 3M fans, and if we draw 3M, we can support ~$200M payroll, which is between the overachievers and the powerhouses.

Notice that the Angels have their own category. We need to map our our own category but in the opposite direction. Upper middle payroll used wisely with high winning % and playoff success. We've done exactly that in years past. Bloom needs to get us back there. Its Smart Agressive. That could be name of this category.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm "Reset" really only means "We're going to go cheap and not worry about winning." It doesn't really lead to anything but losing. Funny how terminology can be misleading.

Okay, sure, if that's what ends up happening, but we've seen teams do "resets/rebuilds like the Cardinals are claiming they are doing for years. Even those teams listed as powerhouses in that chart. They reset, shed a ton of payroll, and rebuilt.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm "Reset" really only means "We're going to go cheap and not worry about winning." It doesn't really lead to anything but losing. Funny how terminology can be misleading.

Okay, sure, if that's what ends up happening, but we've seen teams do "resets/rebuilds like the Cardinals are claiming they are doing for years. Even those teams listed as powerhouses in that chart. They reset, shed a ton of payroll, and rebuilt.

CCard wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 21:56 pmThe big spenders reload every year. They might not win and they might shed a contract here or there but when did you ever hear of them losing for years? The answer is obvious. Just look at history.

CCard wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 21:56 pm

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:52 pm

CCard wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:40 pm "Reset" really only means "We're going to go cheap and not worry about winning." It doesn't really lead to anything but losing. Funny how terminology can be misleading.

Okay, sure, if that's what ends up happening, but we've seen teams do "resets/rebuilds like the Cardinals are claiming they are doing for years. Even those teams listed as powerhouses in that chart. They reset, shed a ton of payroll, and rebuilt.

The big spenders reload every year. They might not win and they might shed a contract here or there but when did you ever hear of them losing for years? The answer is obvious. Just look at history.