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Sounds like a poor organizational decision..
To be fair Juan he did a solid job his first seven-eight seasons.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:58 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:15 am Not quite yet but he's right on the edge of being dealt.
BUT
I want to see what C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio and their crew can do w/both Walker and N. Gorman.
What if this new leadership group actually fixes those two?
Could happen since we know Mo and his gang of misfits became totally inept.
Give it one more year.
If Walker (and Gorman) don't make improvements, then move on.
They cost nothing, let it play out under Bloom.
Did Mozeliak become inept? Or was he always inept and it was masked by TLR, Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Holliday, Beltran, Berkman, etc for several seasons?
Seems to me the wheels fell off after TLR, Luhnow, and some core players left. Mo couldn't replace them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:07 amTo be fair Juan he did a solid job his first seven-eight seasons.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:58 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:15 am Not quite yet but he's right on the edge of being dealt.
BUT
I want to see what C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio and their crew can do w/both Walker and N. Gorman.
What if this new leadership group actually fixes those two?
Could happen since we know Mo and his gang of misfits became totally inept.
Give it one more year.
If Walker (and Gorman) don't make improvements, then move on.
They cost nothing, let it play out under Bloom.
Did Mozeliak become inept? Or was he always inept and it was masked by TLR, Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Holliday, Beltran, Berkman, etc for several seasons?
Of course Walt left the cupboard loaded and he did indeed lean on TLR/Dunc and that great core.
TLR kept him in line.
After Tony left, the Mo ego kicked in and .................well we know what's happened.
Mo didn't want to replace them, he wanted to run the whole show (re: EGO) and only hired "Yes men" like M. Girsh and the Three Stooges he put in the dugout to Manage.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:10 amSeems to me the wheels fell off after TLR, Luhnow, and some core players left. Mo couldn't replace them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:07 amTo be fair Juan he did a solid job his first seven-eight seasons.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:58 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:15 am Not quite yet but he's right on the edge of being dealt.
BUT
I want to see what C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio and their crew can do w/both Walker and N. Gorman.
What if this new leadership group actually fixes those two?
Could happen since we know Mo and his gang of misfits became totally inept.
Give it one more year.
If Walker (and Gorman) don't make improvements, then move on.
They cost nothing, let it play out under Bloom.
Did Mozeliak become inept? Or was he always inept and it was masked by TLR, Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Holliday, Beltran, Berkman, etc for several seasons?
Of course Walt left the cupboard loaded and he did indeed lean on TLR/Dunc and that great core.
TLR kept him in line.
After Tony left, the Mo ego kicked in and .................well we know what's happened.
Is it true there were players who told Mo they didn't want Oquendo to replace TLR? Or was it Mo who didn't want Jose?rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:12 amMo didn't want to replace them, he wanted to run the whole show (re: EGO) and only hired "Yes men" like M. Girsh and the Three Stooges he put in the dugout to Manage.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:10 amSeems to me the wheels fell off after TLR, Luhnow, and some core players left. Mo couldn't replace them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:07 amTo be fair Juan he did a solid job his first seven-eight seasons.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:58 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:15 am Not quite yet but he's right on the edge of being dealt.
BUT
I want to see what C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio and their crew can do w/both Walker and N. Gorman.
What if this new leadership group actually fixes those two?
Could happen since we know Mo and his gang of misfits became totally inept.
Give it one more year.
If Walker (and Gorman) don't make improvements, then move on.
They cost nothing, let it play out under Bloom.
Did Mozeliak become inept? Or was he always inept and it was masked by TLR, Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Holliday, Beltran, Berkman, etc for several seasons?
Of course Walt left the cupboard loaded and he did indeed lean on TLR/Dunc and that great core.
TLR kept him in line.
After Tony left, the Mo ego kicked in and .................well we know what's happened.
From what I know players loved him.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:15 amIs it true there were players who told Mo they didn't want Oquendo to replace TLR? Or was it Mo who didn't want Jose?rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:12 amMo didn't want to replace them, he wanted to run the whole show (re: EGO) and only hired "Yes men" like M. Girsh and the Three Stooges he put in the dugout to Manage.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:10 amSeems to me the wheels fell off after TLR, Luhnow, and some core players left. Mo couldn't replace them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:07 amTo be fair Juan he did a solid job his first seven-eight seasons.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:58 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:15 am Not quite yet but he's right on the edge of being dealt.
BUT
I want to see what C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio and their crew can do w/both Walker and N. Gorman.
What if this new leadership group actually fixes those two?
Could happen since we know Mo and his gang of misfits became totally inept.
Give it one more year.
If Walker (and Gorman) don't make improvements, then move on.
They cost nothing, let it play out under Bloom.
Did Mozeliak become inept? Or was he always inept and it was masked by TLR, Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Holliday, Beltran, Berkman, etc for several seasons?
Of course Walt left the cupboard loaded and he did indeed lean on TLR/Dunc and that great core.
TLR kept him in line.
After Tony left, the Mo ego kicked in and .................well we know what's happened.
That answers my question. Thanks, Rock.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:20 amFrom what I know players loved him.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:15 amIs it true there were players who told Mo they didn't want Oquendo to replace TLR? Or was it Mo who didn't want Jose?rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:12 amMo didn't want to replace them, he wanted to run the whole show (re: EGO) and only hired "Yes men" like M. Girsh and the Three Stooges he put in the dugout to Manage.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:10 amSeems to me the wheels fell off after TLR, Luhnow, and some core players left. Mo couldn't replace them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:07 amTo be fair Juan he did a solid job his first seven-eight seasons.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:58 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:15 am Not quite yet but he's right on the edge of being dealt.
BUT
I want to see what C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio and their crew can do w/both Walker and N. Gorman.
What if this new leadership group actually fixes those two?
Could happen since we know Mo and his gang of misfits became totally inept.
Give it one more year.
If Walker (and Gorman) don't make improvements, then move on.
They cost nothing, let it play out under Bloom.
Did Mozeliak become inept? Or was he always inept and it was masked by TLR, Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Holliday, Beltran, Berkman, etc for several seasons?
Of course Walt left the cupboard loaded and he did indeed lean on TLR/Dunc and that great core.
TLR kept him in line.
After Tony left, the Mo ego kicked in and .................well we know what's happened.
No inside info there Juan but it was odd Cheo wanted to stay in Florida, far away from Mo.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:36 amThat answers my question. Thanks, Rock.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:20 amFrom what I know players loved him.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:15 amIs it true there were players who told Mo they didn't want Oquendo to replace TLR? Or was it Mo who didn't want Jose?rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:12 amMo didn't want to replace them, he wanted to run the whole show (re: EGO) and only hired "Yes men" like M. Girsh and the Three Stooges he put in the dugout to Manage.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:10 amSeems to me the wheels fell off after TLR, Luhnow, and some core players left. Mo couldn't replace them.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 11:07 amTo be fair Juan he did a solid job his first seven-eight seasons.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:58 amrockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 09:15 am Not quite yet but he's right on the edge of being dealt.
BUT
I want to see what C. Bloom/R.Cerfolio and their crew can do w/both Walker and N. Gorman.
What if this new leadership group actually fixes those two?
Could happen since we know Mo and his gang of misfits became totally inept.
Give it one more year.
If Walker (and Gorman) don't make improvements, then move on.
They cost nothing, let it play out under Bloom.
Did Mozeliak become inept? Or was he always inept and it was masked by TLR, Pujols, Molina, Wainwright, Holliday, Beltran, Berkman, etc for several seasons?
Of course Walt left the cupboard loaded and he did indeed lean on TLR/Dunc and that great core.
TLR kept him in line.
After Tony left, the Mo ego kicked in and .................well we know what's happened.
No inside info there Juan but it was odd Cheo wanted to stay in Florida, far away from Mo.
Carlson was 25 when they traded him. Walker isn't close to 25 yet. We also got zero for Carlson even though he had a lot more career WAR than Walker so far.imadangman wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 15:58 pm Here's the question:
Are you at the point that if they moved on and he got on track somewhere else you'd accept it. Let's say he goes onto Miami and hits .280 with 25 hr and 80 rbi, would you be fine with it. I think Dylan Carlson definitely ended up in that category. If he put up numbers like that I don't think anyone here would give a [shirt].
Tucker has crushed his exposure to MLB pitching except for the 28 games when they first trotted him out at age 21.
Might be true, but at this point if they are actually calling him back up today then they are still clueless. And Walker will not breakout until with another organization.
Seems to not take coaching very well either. Stubborn by nature, or just just doesn't trust the Cardinals staff?scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2025 13:03 pmOr, stay with me...he's was a great High School big fish in a little pond, but isn't adapting to being a small fish in a gigantic pond.