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Carp4Cy wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:05 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

The question is if Herrera can stay healthy. He keeps hurting himself at the plate or on the bases, which is all a DH does. You can’t hide players from running the bases at any position.

I kind of feel like we need another platoon DH/PH option just to Lenghthen our roster and lineup so we don’t end up with Saggese/Fermin/Baker types at DH when someone is hurt.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:05 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

The question is if Herrera can stay healthy. He keeps hurting himself at the plate or on the bases, which is all a DH does. You can’t hide players from running the bases at any position.

I kind of feel like we need another platoon DH/PH option just to Lenghthen our roster and lineup so we don’t end up with Saggese/Fermin/Baker types at DH when someone is hurt.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

"To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!" Burleson can hit. He just needs to hit more HRs as a corner outfielder or 1B.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:41 pm

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

"To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!" Burleson can hit. He just needs to hit more HRs as a corner outfielder or 1B.

Not like Hererra

And he has to show his lack of fitness doesn't lead to another second half collapse.

We're all rooting for him, but he needs to put together a full season.

(and he's a DH)

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:49 am

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:46 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:39 am Good morning.

When Willy leaves, we really don’t have an heir. In a year plus, first will need to be filled. I don’t think I’ve seen a Gorman to first idea. Maybe it’s a bad idea?

Gorman. Lefty hitter. Righty fielder. Has played mucho third and second.

Reminds you of the sluggers at first. Will his 20 plus Homerun potential play at first.

Gorman
Donovan
Winn
JJ

Herrera DH

That looks like quality and cheap. Very cheap.

Good idea. Bad.

Burleson has played a very good 1st, and I would bet that Nado will be gone before Willy

Two good points. I had Burleson too, but I was thinking more in future, say year or two, and Burleson wouldn’t be here.

Would my defense by formidable-Donovan, Winn, JJ.

bccardsfan wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 15:04 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:41 pm

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

"To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!" Burleson can hit. He just needs to hit more HRs as a corner outfielder or 1B.

Not like Hererra

And he has to show his lack of fitness doesn't lead to another second half collapse.

We're all rooting for him, but he needs to put together a full season.

(and he's a DH)

The only reason Burleson is even sniffing the OF is because JW is injured, and both he and Noot have not hit. If we had two corner OFers who could hit, then Burley would only see DH and the odd game to relieve WC at first. He is not a good everyday OFer!

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

"To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!" Burleson can hit. He just needs to hit more HRs as a corner outfielder or 1B.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:41 pm

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

"To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!" Burleson can hit. He just needs to hit more HRs as a corner outfielder or 1B.

Not like Hererra

And he has to show his lack of fitness doesn't lead to another second half collapse.

We're all rooting for him, but he needs to put together a full season.

(and he's a DH)

greyhawk wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 16:43 pm

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

"To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!" Burleson can hit. He just needs to hit more HRs as a corner outfielder or 1B.

he's like a lot of other current and former cards prospects --- a positionless jag who hits a bit more than most. he is a liability at any position defensively other than dh and he just doesnt hit quite well enough to put him there. He currently has as much value as he may ever have (hitting well and whoever gets him controls him for a few years) --- i know you in particular like him but the time to strike by trading him is now.

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 18:35 pm

greyhawk wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 16:43 pm

Shady wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:31 pm

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 14:23 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:28 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:25 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 10:23 am

ClassicO wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 09:41 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑17 Jul 2025 08:52 am IF he's proven he can hit in MLB, then Norman goes to 3rd base after NADO is dealt or his contract expires.

1st base needs to be the position, after WillyC is gone, that C. Bloom finds (via trade or FA) a true MOTO power hitter.

Yes, and there is NO statistical support for the statement that Burly is a very good first baseman, so I'm glad you didn't go there.

WillyC
+6 OAA
+2 DRS

Burly
0 OAA
0 DRS

No chance I'd go there.

And Burly had a lot more experience there.

Let's hope I. Hererra takes to LF (appears they're going to ticket him there in 2026) as well as (former catcher too) WillyC has taken to 1st base!

That would be huge!
Having him in LF and maybe Josh Baez patrol Rf and a good deal of CF would be huge for this team's future.
VSII can't hit well but he's especially poor vs. LHP, and Baez could sub in CF for him.
Donny can go back to super-sub - for JJ at 2b, for Nado at 3b, and some outfield. Effectively full-time.
Then replace Pages with Crooks or Bernal and hey, this lineup could improve a lot.
Too bad Hence and Roby can't stay healthy and Mathews has struggled or there would be far more hope.

Huge!

To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!

The weak OF has been this teams bane for way too long, hopefully C. Bloom has some plans to fix that mess.

I still think Hence, who I've been clamoring they move to the closer role for over two years now, can be salvaged if they'd just do it.

"To finally have an OF'er who can actually hit!" Burleson can hit. He just needs to hit more HRs as a corner outfielder or 1B.

he's like a lot of other current and former cards prospects --- a positionless jag who hits a bit more than most. he is a liability at any position defensively other than dh and he just doesnt hit quite well enough to put him there. He currently has as much value as he may ever have (hitting well and whoever gets him controls him for a few years) --- i know you in particular like him but the time to strike by trading him is now.

"he's like a lot of other current and former cards prospects --- a positionless jag who hits a bit more than most. he is a liability at any position defensively other than dh and he just doesnt hit quite well enough to put him there". That's ludicrous. Burleson has amazing bat to ball skills. Unlike some former outfielders the Cardinals have tried. Also, he's, at least, an average in RF with a good arm and above average at 1B.