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1ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 13:35 pmWhen he gets 3,631 hits in a Cardinals uniform he will be the best prospect ever - and Musial did that while missing 2 seasons due to military service.
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 13:35 pmWhen he gets 3,631 hits in a Cardinals uniform he will be the best prospect ever - and Musial did that while missing 2 seasons due to military service.
Game. Set. Match!Best prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Alex Reyes probably in the top 5 somewhereAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:02 pmBest prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Hence my easy 1 and 2 of Drew and Ankiel.
Someone else mentioned Simmons. He predates me by a good margin and really all the ratings services, but he’d have to be up there I guess.
guess it'd be Jordan Walker.. wasn't he the top rated prospect in baseball at one point?An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:02 pmBest prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Hence my easy 1 and 2 of Drew and Ankiel.
Someone else mentioned Simmons. He predates me by a good margin and really all the ratings services, but he’d have to be up there I guess.
So what you’re talking about is someone’s opinion of what a kid who’s about to be drafted looks like. Not really production, stats, play in the minors……An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:02 pmBest prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Hence my easy 1 and 2 of Drew and Ankiel.
Someone else mentioned Simmons. He predates me by a good margin and really all the ratings services, but he’d have to be up there I guess.
There is no planet in which Walker was ever regarded like Drew or Ankiel.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:20 pmguess it'd be Jordan Walker.. wasn't he the top rated prospect in baseball at one point?An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:02 pmBest prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Hence my easy 1 and 2 of Drew and Ankiel.
Someone else mentioned Simmons. He predates me by a good margin and really all the ratings services, but he’d have to be up there I guess.
I’m not sure what you’re suggesting.Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:39 pmSo what you’re talking about is someone’s opinion of what a kid who’s about to be drafted looks like. Not really production, stats, play in the minors……An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:02 pmBest prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Hence my easy 1 and 2 of Drew and Ankiel.
Someone else mentioned Simmons. He predates me by a good margin and really all the ratings services, but he’d have to be up there I guess.
Has anyone ever rated these modern rating services? That would be an interesting read
colemn stole a lot of bases when that was in vogue but he was actually awful...660 OPS...poor outfielder no power..low OBP..his career WAR was 12moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
There are already 7-8 players from his draft class in the majors. Nick Kurtz has more HRs than anyone on our team. So this just means JJW is next up, though he's not necessarily better than Nick or Jac, especially with the power bat.ramfandan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 04:50 am Baseball America compiled a list of Superlatives : Best Tools & Players in yesterday's Futures Game performances
The categories were : Best Player, Best Hitter, Power, Best Batting Practice , Best Defensive Player among pitching categories too.
JJ was their selection for BEST POWER
Their analysis was :
Best Power: JJ Wetherholt, SS, Cardinals
Wetherholt just missed a homer in the opening at-bat for the NL squad, instead putting it off the center field wall at 105.9 mph. He hit a second ball 102.4 mph on a lineout. Wetherholt was the only player in this year’s Futures Game with multiple balls in play above 100 mph.
I’m attempting to determine what you define as a prospect? From your responses it appears your entire view of a prospect is the value these “experts” put on the player before they ever perform as a pro.An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:02 pmI’m not sure what you’re suggesting.Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:39 pmSo what you’re talking about is someone’s opinion of what a kid who’s about to be drafted looks like. Not really production, stats, play in the minors……An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:02 pmBest prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Hence my easy 1 and 2 of Drew and Ankiel.
Someone else mentioned Simmons. He predates me by a good margin and really all the ratings services, but he’d have to be up there I guess.
Has anyone ever rated these modern rating services? That would be an interesting read
Are you saying that you don’t think Drew and Ankiel deserved to be thought of as they were?
If so, why?
If no, what are you arguing?
A prospect is basically any player in the minors. How does yours differ?Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 18:27 pmI’m attempting to determine what you define as a prospect? From your responses it appears your entire view of a prospect is the value these “experts” put on the player before they ever perform as a pro.An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 17:02 pmI’m not sure what you’re suggesting.Goldfan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:39 pmSo what you’re talking about is someone’s opinion of what a kid who’s about to be drafted looks like. Not really production, stats, play in the minors……An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 15:02 pmBest prospect. Highest regarded / drafted / rated. I’m talking about guys who were in the conversation as best college player, best school player, top of the draft, then highly ranked.moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 11:28 amAn Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:58 amRight, but the question was best ever, and I think that’s easily Drew and Ankielmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 09:52 ammatt morris worked out pretty well.. and lankford.. and coleman.. and herr.. pretty good history of prospects here..
best prospect? or best prospect that had the best career?
Hence my easy 1 and 2 of Drew and Ankiel.
Someone else mentioned Simmons. He predates me by a good margin and really all the ratings services, but he’d have to be up there I guess.
Has anyone ever rated these modern rating services? That would be an interesting read
Are you saying that you don’t think Drew and Ankiel deserved to be thought of as they were?
If so, why?
If no, what are you arguing?
So how does Drew or Ankiel NOT qualify as a prospect to you?JJ has been performing as a Pro which I believe was the posters origination point for asking “Who was cards best prospect” not who had all the “bloviating experts” falling all over themselves before the player ever put on a minor league uni.
Because he wasn’t nearly as highly regarded as Drew or Ankiel. Why is this difficult?If as you claim, Pujols was qualified as a prospect…..how is he not the best modern prospect to ever be in the Cards organization?
Because people want to play stupid by acting like they don't understand what the question is so that they can ruin the thread.An Old Friend wrote: ↑13 Jul 2025 19:42 pmBecause he wasn’t nearly as highly regarded as Drew or Ankiel. Why is this difficult?