All very good points. I didn't realize until recently that DeWitt is the 9th richest owner in MLB. That makes me even more irritated.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:32 pmHi Bad,
For the longest time I defended DeWitt Jr, since the Cards were typically in the top 7-8 in payroll. I felt that Mo squandered it on bad long term FA signings. But as I’ve seen our minor leagues also decline, I even have to criticize BDW Jr. now.
And what’s worse is that I think DeWitt III will be worse. Clearly, the way he’s responded to fans in the press tells me he can’t read the room.
Cheers,
HW72
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Yeah, the firing of Schildt really exposed Mozeliak on a national level. It seemed clear that he was only willing to operate in an echo chamber.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:38 pmI’m a little more patient. I joined the FIRE MO bandwagon in 2017.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 08:55 amI’ve been on the fire Mozeliak bandwagon since 2015.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 01:09 am As I read this “completely amused”, I think back to a time long before Marmol was the manager. Back then I was in the select minority of posters who pointed out the issues with Mo running this team. Most of the board bashed me calling me entitled for questioning MO’s ability to do the job. I was told it was all Matheny who was the issue.
Now most have seen I was correct in my questioning of how he runs this team. I saw the red flags back in 2014. Took most far too long to see the issues.
One -1 - uno - playoff series win in the past 10 years.
Thankfully he’ll be out of here in less than 3 months.
Then I started DRIVING the wagon when he fired Shildt. While Uncle Shildty had his flaws, but he got us playing sound fundamental baseball again and he apparently told our hitters to ignore the “3 True Outcome, uppercut swing for HR’s approach” and got us hitting and running and winning again. And promptly got fired since it was The Cardinal Way rather than The Moronoziliak Way.
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I haven't been a fan of the last 3 managers but I think Schildt was the best of the 3 and Matheny was by far the worst of the 3. He also had the best players and Oli has the worst. They won't do it but I wish they would hire someone with a lot of experience from outside the organization. Of course the manager won't matter if the players aren't there. And I wonder what manager would even want to come here.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:38 pmI’m a little more patient. I joined the FIRE MO bandwagon in 2017.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 08:55 amI’ve been on the fire Mozeliak bandwagon since 2015.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 01:09 am As I read this “completely amused”, I think back to a time long before Marmol was the manager. Back then I was in the select minority of posters who pointed out the issues with Mo running this team. Most of the board bashed me calling me entitled for questioning MO’s ability to do the job. I was told it was all Matheny who was the issue.
Now most have seen I was correct in my questioning of how he runs this team. I saw the red flags back in 2014. Took most far too long to see the issues.
One -1 - uno - playoff series win in the past 10 years.
Thankfully he’ll be out of here in less than 3 months.
Then I started DRIVING the wagon when he fired Shildt. While Uncle Shildty had his flaws, but he got us playing sound fundamental baseball again and he apparently told our hitters to ignore the “3 True Outcome, uppercut swing for HR’s approach” and got us hitting and running and winning again. And promptly got fired since it was The Cardinal Way rather than The Moronoziliak Way.
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It’s all subjective. Actually, Matheny had a very good record.Bad14 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:51 pmI haven't been a fan of the last 3 managers but I think Schildt was the best of the 3 and Matheny was by far the worst of the 3. He also had the best players and Oli has the worst. They won't do it but I wish they would hire someone with a lot of experience from outside the organization. Of course the manager won't matter if the players aren't there. And I wonder what manager would even want to come here.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:38 pmI’m a little more patient. I joined the FIRE MO bandwagon in 2017.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 08:55 amI’ve been on the fire Mozeliak bandwagon since 2015.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 01:09 am As I read this “completely amused”, I think back to a time long before Marmol was the manager. Back then I was in the select minority of posters who pointed out the issues with Mo running this team. Most of the board bashed me calling me entitled for questioning MO’s ability to do the job. I was told it was all Matheny who was the issue.
Now most have seen I was correct in my questioning of how he runs this team. I saw the red flags back in 2014. Took most far too long to see the issues.
One -1 - uno - playoff series win in the past 10 years.
Thankfully he’ll be out of here in less than 3 months.
Then I started DRIVING the wagon when he fired Shildt. While Uncle Shildty had his flaws, but he got us playing sound fundamental baseball again and he apparently told our hitters to ignore the “3 True Outcome, uppercut swing for HR’s approach” and got us hitting and running and winning again. And promptly got fired since it was The Cardinal Way rather than The Moronoziliak Way.
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Yes, and as Bad14 correctly noted, Matheny had the best team, so the good record should be expected.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 13:37 pmIt’s all subjective. Actually, Matheny had a very good record.Bad14 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:51 pmI haven't been a fan of the last 3 managers but I think Schildt was the best of the 3 and Matheny was by far the worst of the 3. He also had the best players and Oli has the worst. They won't do it but I wish they would hire someone with a lot of experience from outside the organization. Of course the manager won't matter if the players aren't there. And I wonder what manager would even want to come here.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:38 pmI’m a little more patient. I joined the FIRE MO bandwagon in 2017.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 08:55 amI’ve been on the fire Mozeliak bandwagon since 2015.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 01:09 am As I read this “completely amused”, I think back to a time long before Marmol was the manager. Back then I was in the select minority of posters who pointed out the issues with Mo running this team. Most of the board bashed me calling me entitled for questioning MO’s ability to do the job. I was told it was all Matheny who was the issue.
Now most have seen I was correct in my questioning of how he runs this team. I saw the red flags back in 2014. Took most far too long to see the issues.
One -1 - uno - playoff series win in the past 10 years.
Thankfully he’ll be out of here in less than 3 months.
Then I started DRIVING the wagon when he fired Shildt. While Uncle Shildty had his flaws, but he got us playing sound fundamental baseball again and he apparently told our hitters to ignore the “3 True Outcome, uppercut swing for HR’s approach” and got us hitting and running and winning again. And promptly got fired since it was The Cardinal Way rather than The Moronoziliak Way.
My main gripe with Mike was how he let the team lose sight of the fundamentals. It puzzles me, because as a player he seemed to be one of those “old school hard knocks rocks” and I would have thought he’d be a disciple of The Cardinal Way. I still wonder if his off-the-field business investments got in the way of his focus. Or if toward the end he had players who just wouldn’t listen and needed a kick in the shorts. We’ll never know.
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Lighten up, Cranny. It was a joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:40 pmHow mature, JA.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 18:10 pmThat's how it would have to be. Oliver would be lost without Mo telling him what to do.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 16:23 pmThat is fair! Make it a 76 Pinto. Classic. Oli drives first shift. Mo in the rocking chair.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 15:48 pm Needs to be packed into a Ford Pinto with pud oli and told to drive until they find an ocean.![]()
Im thinking a nice turd brown color Pinto. With no air conditioning.
Re: Mozeliak
Different strokes. I guess some just don’t see the humor in excrement.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:09 pmLighten up, Cranny. It was a joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:40 pmHow mature, JA.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 18:10 pmThat's how it would have to be. Oliver would be lost without Mo telling him what to do.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 16:23 pmThat is fair! Make it a 76 Pinto. Classic. Oli drives first shift. Mo in the rocking chair.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 15:48 pm Needs to be packed into a Ford Pinto with pud oli and told to drive until they find an ocean.![]()
Im thinking a nice turd brown color Pinto. With no air conditioning.
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talk about being a NANCY, he never said a turd, he said turd brown color, which did exist. get over yourselfCranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:45 pmDifferent strokes. I guess some just don’t see the humor in excrement.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:09 pmLighten up, Cranny. It was a joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:40 pmHow mature, JA.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 18:10 pmThat's how it would have to be. Oliver would be lost without Mo telling him what to do.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 16:23 pmThat is fair! Make it a 76 Pinto. Classic. Oli drives first shift. Mo in the rocking chair.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 15:48 pm Needs to be packed into a Ford Pinto with pud oli and told to drive until they find an ocean.![]()
Im thinking a nice turd brown color Pinto. With no air conditioning.
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Really? Jealousy of another’s success?Bad14 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:41 pmAll very good points. I didn't realize until recently that DeWitt is the 9th richest owner in MLB. That makes me even more irritated.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:32 pmHi Bad,
For the longest time I defended DeWitt Jr, since the Cards were typically in the top 7-8 in payroll. I felt that Mo squandered it on bad long term FA signings. But as I’ve seen our minor leagues also decline, I even have to criticize BDW Jr. now.
And what’s worse is that I think DeWitt III will be worse. Clearly, the way he’s responded to fans in the press tells me he can’t read the room.
Cheers,
HW72
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We have an 'out of touch ' old fart and his Mo-ran running the organization....I share season tix in Section 148....and a lot of regulars have not renewed..the fans are frustrated and not showing up...but there are a few who are full of [shirt] and refuse to see the trend.Bad14 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:41 pmAll very good points. I didn't realize until recently that DeWitt is the 9th richest owner in MLB. That makes me even more irritated.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:32 pmHi Bad,
For the longest time I defended DeWitt Jr, since the Cards were typically in the top 7-8 in payroll. I felt that Mo squandered it on bad long term FA signings. But as I’ve seen our minor leagues also decline, I even have to criticize BDW Jr. now.
And what’s worse is that I think DeWitt III will be worse. Clearly, the way he’s responded to fans in the press tells me he can’t read the room.
Cheers,
HW72
Re: Mozeliak
I'm annoyed that he has the money to spend on the team and doesnt spend it Granny. Do you not get it?Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 15:07 pmReally? Jealousy of another’s success?Bad14 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:41 pmAll very good points. I didn't realize until recently that DeWitt is the 9th richest owner in MLB. That makes me even more irritated.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:32 pmHi Bad,
For the longest time I defended DeWitt Jr, since the Cards were typically in the top 7-8 in payroll. I felt that Mo squandered it on bad long term FA signings. But as I’ve seen our minor leagues also decline, I even have to criticize BDW Jr. now.
And what’s worse is that I think DeWitt III will be worse. Clearly, the way he’s responded to fans in the press tells me he can’t read the room.
Cheers,
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I think Bloom is the outside hire and the other guy, Rob C… good start. I think that could lead to an outside hire for manager that might not have otherwise came to work under Mo. If DeWitt has shown one thing, it is trust in his POBO.Bad14 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:51 pmI haven't been a fan of the last 3 managers but I think Schildt was the best of the 3 and Matheny was by far the worst of the 3. He also had the best players and Oli has the worst. They won't do it but I wish they would hire someone with a lot of experience from outside the organization. Of course the manager won't matter if the players aren't there. And I wonder what manager would even want to come here.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:38 pmI’m a little more patient. I joined the FIRE MO bandwagon in 2017.Bomber1 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 08:55 amI’ve been on the fire Mozeliak bandwagon since 2015.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 01:09 am As I read this “completely amused”, I think back to a time long before Marmol was the manager. Back then I was in the select minority of posters who pointed out the issues with Mo running this team. Most of the board bashed me calling me entitled for questioning MO’s ability to do the job. I was told it was all Matheny who was the issue.
Now most have seen I was correct in my questioning of how he runs this team. I saw the red flags back in 2014. Took most far too long to see the issues.
One -1 - uno - playoff series win in the past 10 years.
Thankfully he’ll be out of here in less than 3 months.
Then I started DRIVING the wagon when he fired Shildt. While Uncle Shildty had his flaws, but he got us playing sound fundamental baseball again and he apparently told our hitters to ignore the “3 True Outcome, uppercut swing for HR’s approach” and got us hitting and running and winning again. And promptly got fired since it was The Cardinal Way rather than The Moronoziliak Way.
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Settle down, Girsch. It was a color description. Your boss is unaffected by the joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:45 pmDifferent strokes. I guess some just don’t see the humor in excrement.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:09 pmLighten up, Cranny. It was a joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:40 pmHow mature, JA.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 18:10 pmThat's how it would have to be. Oliver would be lost without Mo telling him what to do.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 16:23 pmThat is fair! Make it a 76 Pinto. Classic. Oli drives first shift. Mo in the rocking chair.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 15:48 pm Needs to be packed into a Ford Pinto with pud oli and told to drive until they find an ocean.![]()
Im thinking a nice turd brown color Pinto. With no air conditioning.
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Cranny is a self-appointed moderator.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 16:12 pmSettle down, Girsch. It was a color description. Your boss is unaffected by the joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:45 pmDifferent strokes. I guess some just don’t see the humor in excrement.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:09 pmLighten up, Cranny. It was a joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:40 pmHow mature, JA.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 18:10 pmThat's how it would have to be. Oliver would be lost without Mo telling him what to do.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 16:23 pmThat is fair! Make it a 76 Pinto. Classic. Oli drives first shift. Mo in the rocking chair.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 15:48 pm Needs to be packed into a Ford Pinto with pud oli and told to drive until they find an ocean.![]()
Im thinking a nice turd brown color Pinto. With no air conditioning.
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Some people take this (and themselves) way too seriously.Bad14 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 16:14 pmCranny is a self-appointed moderator.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 16:12 pmSettle down, Girsch. It was a color description. Your boss is unaffected by the joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:45 pmDifferent strokes. I guess some just don’t see the humor in excrement.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 14:09 pmLighten up, Cranny. It was a joke.Cranny wrote: ↑06 Jul 2025 12:40 pmHow mature, JA.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 18:10 pmThat's how it would have to be. Oliver would be lost without Mo telling him what to do.MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 16:23 pmThat is fair! Make it a 76 Pinto. Classic. Oli drives first shift. Mo in the rocking chair.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑05 Jul 2025 15:48 pm Needs to be packed into a Ford Pinto with pud oli and told to drive until they find an ocean.![]()
Im thinking a nice turd brown color Pinto. With no air conditioning.
Re: Mozeliak
Agree. What i don't get is people inserting themselves into conversations. To each his own I guess.