Fedde and Mikolas going in the crucial Cubs series.

[dugoutrex]

The last Cub series several posters were 'hoping ' that somehow the Cardinals could muster a win vs. Cubs. The Cardinals offense had been a bit sluggish entering that series. Then they hit 7 HR's in those first two games . You just never know in baseball . You can go from not getting any runs to getting them in bunches.
Balls need to find the holes in the infield and liners get to the gaps in the outfield.

and ... since those 2 games we have been shut out in 5 of 8

[vegascardsfan5890]

It doesn't matter if Bob Gibson, Steve Carlton and Chris Carpenter are starting if we can't score a freaking run

[dugoutrex]

It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Gray just gave up 4 vs. the Rats

[Shady]

It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Gray just gave up 4 vs. the Rats

Problem is, you never know what you are going to get from any of the Cardinals starting rotation. Including Gray.

[hmoss859]

They can’t strike people out and there in lies a problem with BABIP and over the fence

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It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Well, to be fair, maybe they are trying to maximize the number of Gray starts before the ASB. So he pitched Wednesday against the Pirates, could start Tuesday against the Nats on 5 days' rest and then Sunday vs. the Braves on 4 days' rest.

[CCard]

I hope the wind is blowing in.

My expectations are pretty low. LOL...They'll probably pitch shut outs.

[sikeston bulldog2]

It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Gray just gave up 4 vs. the Rats

Problem is, you never know what you are going to get from any of the Cardinals starting rotation. Including Gray.

He got credited for four runs given up. He left only giving up two, and then the two inherited runners, who later scored. He might have gotten out of his own jam.

[BrockFloodMaris]

It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Gray just gave up 4 vs. the Rats

Problem is, you never know what you are going to get from any of the Cardinals starting rotation. Including Gray.

He got credited for four runs given up. He left only giving up two, and then the two inherited runners, who later scored. He might have gotten out of his own jam.

It appears that the Cards are stuck with Mikolas and Fedde for the rest of 2025. Not just because they are not valued by a contender. But because, other than McGreevy, Memphis doesn't have any starters that are MLB-ready and can handle the innings that Mikolas and Fedde would take. Those two are at least durable innings eaters, even if they do it at a 4-5 ERA pace.

[sikeston bulldog2]

It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Gray just gave up 4 vs. the Rats

Problem is, you never know what you are going to get from any of the Cardinals starting rotation. Including Gray.

He got credited for four runs given up. He left only giving up two, and then the two inherited runners, who later scored. He might have gotten out of his own jam.

It appears that the Cards are stuck with Mikolas and Fedde for the rest of 2025. Not just because they are not valued by a contender. But because, other than McGreevy, Memphis doesn't have any starters that are MLB-ready and can handle the innings that Mikolas and Fedde would take. Those two are at least durable innings eaters, even if they do it at a 4-5 ERA pace.

Good points. If they just take up 5 innings per start, is that enough. Does that satisfy innings eater.

[dugoutrex]

It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Gray just gave up 4 vs. the Rats

Problem is, you never know what you are going to get from any of the Cardinals starting rotation. Including Gray.

He got credited for four runs given up. He left only giving up two, and then the two inherited runners, who later scored. He might have gotten out of his own jam.

are you new to baseball ?

[sikeston bulldog2]

It would have good to have arranged Gray, Liberatore and McGreevy for this Cubs series.

That would require forethought by manager.

He could have pitched Gray twice against Cubs and passed on both occasions.

It's almost like they are setting themselves up to lose.

Gray just gave up 4 vs. the Rats

Problem is, you never know what you are going to get from any of the Cardinals starting rotation. Including Gray.

He got credited for four runs given up. He left only giving up two, and then the two inherited runners, who later scored. He might have gotten out of his own jam.

are you new to baseball ?

No did I make a mistake.

[dugoutrex]

yup - 4 earned is 4 earned - he might have given up less or more given the chance but ... he gave up 4

[sikeston bulldog2]

yup - 4 earned is 4 earned - he might have given up less or more given the chance but ... he gave up 4

Oh I know. My point was he gave up two while in the game, and the reliever gave up two, that were properly credited to Gray, making four total. I was sayin should have left him in, might have just given up the two had he gotten out of it.

[dugoutrex]

yup - 4 earned is 4 earned - he might have given up less or more given the chance but ... he gave up 4

Oh I know. My point was he gave up two while in the game, and the reliever gave up two, that were properly credited to Gray, making four total. I was sayin should have left him in, might have just given up the two had he gotten out of it.

or ... he might have given up 6 - see how easy this is ?

[sikeston bulldog2]

yup - 4 earned is 4 earned - he might have given up less or more given the chance but ... he gave up 4

Oh I know. My point was he gave up two while in the game, and the reliever gave up two, that were properly credited to Gray, making four total. I was sayin should have left him in, might have just given up the two had he gotten out of it.

or ... he might have given up 6 - see how easy this is ?

I wanted him to clean up his own mess rather than turn it over to a cold reliever. Your point is made.