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Re: Are we better?

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hockey jedi wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:47 pm The Blues scored 254 goals last year and gave up 233. The goal differential was 21. I believe that we will significantly improve in all three areas as a result of the changes to the roster. We have a better more balanced team that will make the playoffs AND we have a great group of prospects that can season properly. I will miss Bolduc, but I missed Robbie Fabbri and Tage Thompson too.
That would have very little do with this trade
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Re: Are we better?

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hockey jedi wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:47 pm The Blues scored 254 goals last year and gave up 233. The goal differential was 21. I believe that we will significantly improve in all three areas as a result of the changes to the roster. We have a better more balanced team that will make the playoffs AND we have a great group of prospects that can season properly. I will miss Bolduc, but I missed Robbie Fabbri and Tage Thompson too.
While we likely wait on Mailloux....Snuggerud is looking pretty important to next years outlook.

The Blues should have a balanced year, without a bummer down first half.

Goals scored could hit well above last years total and the D should provide a better differential as well.
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Re: Are we better?

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dhsux wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:55 pm
hockey jedi wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:47 pm The Blues scored 254 goals last year and gave up 233. The goal differential was 21. I believe that we will significantly improve in all three areas as a result of the changes to the roster. We have a better more balanced team that will make the playoffs AND we have a great group of prospects that can season properly. I will miss Bolduc, but I missed Robbie Fabbri and Tage Thompson too.
While we likely wait on Mailloux....Snuggerud is looking pretty important to next years outlook.

The Blues should have a balanced year, without a bummer down first half.

Goals scored could hit well above last years total and the D should provide a better differential as well.
It appears Mailloux will play and yes it would seem hes better than Suter or Kessel. Also training camp is a ways out there will be other moves coming too many dmen and there is ample cap space to add a forward
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Re: Are we better?

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Without question we are worse off. People are justifying it by saying there is more to come, but I would rather the two player we lost AND the cap space.
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Re: Are we better?

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Harry S Deals wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:05 pm
dhsux wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:55 pm
hockey jedi wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:47 pm The Blues scored 254 goals last year and gave up 233. The goal differential was 21. I believe that we will significantly improve in all three areas as a result of the changes to the roster. We have a better more balanced team that will make the playoffs AND we have a great group of prospects that can season properly. I will miss Bolduc, but I missed Robbie Fabbri and Tage Thompson too.
While we likely wait on Mailloux....Snuggerud is looking pretty important to next years outlook.

The Blues should have a balanced year, without a bummer down first half.

Goals scored could hit well above last years total and the D should provide a better differential as well.
It appears Mailloux will play and yes it would seem hes better than Suter or Kessel. Also training camp is a ways out there will be other moves coming too many dmen and there is ample cap space to add a forward
What indications do you have that he will be better than Suter or Kessel? I will agree he is better offensively, but from what I read he may be a step down on defense.
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Re: Are we better?

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rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:37 pm
Harry S Deals wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:05 pm
dhsux wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:55 pm
hockey jedi wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:47 pm The Blues scored 254 goals last year and gave up 233. The goal differential was 21. I believe that we will significantly improve in all three areas as a result of the changes to the roster. We have a better more balanced team that will make the playoffs AND we have a great group of prospects that can season properly. I will miss Bolduc, but I missed Robbie Fabbri and Tage Thompson too.
While we likely wait on Mailloux....Snuggerud is looking pretty important to next years outlook.

The Blues should have a balanced year, without a bummer down first half.

Goals scored could hit well above last years total and the D should provide a better differential as well.
It appears Mailloux will play and yes it would seem hes better than Suter or Kessel. Also training camp is a ways out there will be other moves coming too many dmen and there is ample cap space to add a forward
What indications do you have that he will be better than Suter or Kessel? I will agree he is better offensively, but from what I read he may be a step down on defense.
Kessel is not particularly good at anything. Suter was sound defensively but he couldn’t keep up at the end of the year given his age.
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Re: Are we better?

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dhsux wrote: 01 Jul 2025 18:55 pm The Blues should have a balanced year,
They desperately need a legit second line center and somebody gritty on defense imo.
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rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:36 pm Without question we are worse off. People are justifying it by saying there is more to come, but I would rather the two player we lost AND the cap space.

Really would have wished we traded Kyrou (or Buchnevich). My guess nobody thought too highly of Kyrou.
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I think we lost the trade as of 7/1/25. I can't see how anyone would dispute that and I don't blame people for thinking it.

However I've already seen a few takes from Xers who I trust for talent evaluation saying Montreal is going to regret letting him go in a few years.

So I'm not going to doom and gloom on this. I'm excited to see it play out. It's quite a young core we are building.
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thegibby. wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:42 pm
rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:36 pm Without question we are worse off. People are justifying it by saying there is more to come, but I would rather the two player we lost AND the cap space.

Really would have wished we traded Kyrou (or Buchnevich). My guess nobody thought too highly of Kyrou.
Kyrou is desperately needed on this team as he was arguably one of the top 4 players on the team. Lead the team in goals by a wide margin, lead the team in +/-, etc... If we traded Buch it would have increased the composite IQ of this team significantly.
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Re: Are we better?

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rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
thegibby. wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:42 pm
rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:36 pm Without question we are worse off. People are justifying it by saying there is more to come, but I would rather the two player we lost AND the cap space.

Really would have wished we traded Kyrou (or Buchnevich). My guess nobody thought too highly of Kyrou.
Kyrou is desperately needed on this team as he was arguably one of the top 4 players on the team. Lead the team in goals by a wide margin, lead the team in +/-, etc... If we traded Buch it would have increased the composite IQ of this team significantly.
For real. Buch is one of the lowest hockey iq players I’ve ever seen
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Re: Are we better?

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MiamiLaw wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:50 pm
rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:48 pm
thegibby. wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:42 pm
rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:36 pm Without question we are worse off. People are justifying it by saying there is more to come, but I would rather the two player we lost AND the cap space.

Really would have wished we traded Kyrou (or Buchnevich). My guess nobody thought too highly of Kyrou.
Kyrou is desperately needed on this team as he was arguably one of the top 4 players on the team. Lead the team in goals by a wide margin, lead the team in +/-, etc... If we traded Buch it would have increased the composite IQ of this team significantly.
For real. Buch is one of the lowest hockey iq players I’ve ever seen
I am with you. Still wake up in a cold sweat over the icing play with Thomas wide open and nobody around him with only 20 seconds left that cost us the Jets series.
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Re: Are we better?

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I think we are much worse off now then when we were eliminated. However I also think there is two answers here. On paper and in the short term, no question we are worse. Once the season starts and we know what Mallioux is going to be (according to Armstrong he is ready to play NHL minutes now) there might be a different answer to this question. We also may be better off in the long term, I think right now we need to be patient and see what else they do in order to judge what is going on. My crystal ball is unfortunately broken but lord, I hope that this isn't the case of Logan being forgettable and Zac becoming the second coming of Tage Thompson. If that happens, it will be ugly I think for a long time.
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Re: Are we better?

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thegibby. wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:42 pm
rezero wrote: 01 Jul 2025 19:36 pm Without question we are worse off. People are justifying it by saying there is more to come, but I would rather the two player we lost AND the cap space.

Really would have wished we traded Kyrou (or Buchnevich). My guess nobody thought too highly of Kyrou.
If I had to guess the Blues were only willing to part with Kyrou to the Habs if the defenseman coming back was Reinbacher.
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Re: Are we better?

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While we had depth at winger, it's also true that now was not the ideal time to jetison one of them. The optimum approach would have been to see how each plays for a year, and then cull the weakest. That approach is exactly what Montreal did with their RHD. Their GM knew which RHDs were the strongest, and they are still sitting on their bench. We got their weakest.

Bolduc may never score the most goals/assists of our wingers, but he was going to be the most hated player by the other team for at least 5 years, and that was a helluva of loss IMO.

My opinion is that Army was desperate to leave a new Petro in the lineup-before he left. Till now, he has lit one firecracker dud after another. Army doesn't want that failure on his resume. Further if Jiricek was progressing, the desperation would not be as high, but Jiricek is trending the wrong way from what I see.

So yes it is true that Army makes moves "for the team", but it is also true that he make moves to "cover his A".

If you want to blame something, blame our chronically poor draft position. With just a few more losses in 2024, we would not have jiricek. We would have something on the prospect RHD side, instead of NIL, and Army would not be so desperate.
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Re: Are we better?

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Hell yes the Blues are better! It's easy to be whiny, just look at CardsTalk. Try being FOR something happening with this team. I liked Bolduc but got to give to get. RD was the weak spot, this young guy can play.
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