Arenado quietly having a great season

[Honky Tonk Man]

On pace for 23 home runs and 89 RBIs while playing splendid defense again

The best part is that when he does hit that home run, it's usually late in the game at a time that we really need it to change the trajectory of the momentum to our side.

He's been a winning player, making winning plays on defense and at the plate all year. Nearly 70% of his home runs have come late to tie it, give us the lead or get us back to within 1 in a game we eventually won.

This seems to be lost on a lot of people that live and die by OPS, OPS+ without context. To those, I ask: Do you not watch the games? Do you only watch box scores after the fact?

It's really hard to believe fans actually would like to replace him with Gorman

Arenado and Goldschmidt as the faces of the franchise became the whipping boys for a fan base frustrated with a horrible front office. Instead of building around them, this front office put all the weight on them. When the team failed they took the shots.

good assessment

[moose-and-squirrel]

On pace for 23 home runs and 89 RBIs while playing splendid defense again

The best part is that when he does hit that home run, it's usually late in the game at a time that we really need it to change the trajectory of the momentum to our side.

He's been a winning player, making winning plays on defense and at the plate all year. Nearly 70% of his home runs have come late to tie it, give us the lead or get us back to within 1 in a game we eventually won.

This seems to be lost on a lot of people that live and die by OPS, OPS+ without context. To those, I ask: Do you not watch the games? Do you only watch box scores after the fact?

It's really hard to believe fans actually would like to replace him with Gorman

Arenado and Goldschmidt as the faces of the franchise became the whipping boys for a fan base frustrated with a horrible front office. Instead of building around them, this front office put all the weight on them. When the team failed they took the shots.

good assessment

look at their PO numbers.. the criticism was accurately directed

[Quincy Varnish]

He's Alec Bohm defensively.

Spoken like someone who has never seen Alec Bohm…

[JDW]

He's not having a great season, but he is still having a solid (~3 fWAR pace) season.

Yep, not great, but now good so far with his recent surge.
Go back a couple weeks ago when his OPS was sub .700, and some at that point would have characterized his season as bad.
Hope he can provide a plus .700 OPS in the 2nd half, and that we still can characterize his 2025 season as a good one this October.

[Carp4Cy]

On pace for 23 home runs and 89 RBIs while playing splendid defense again

The best part is that when he does hit that home run, it's usually late in the game at a time that we really need it to change the trajectory of the momentum to our side.

He's been a winning player, making winning plays on defense and at the plate all year. Nearly 70% of his home runs have come late to tie it, give us the lead or get us back to within 1 in a game we eventually won.

This seems to be lost on a lot of people that live and die by OPS, OPS+ without context. To those, I ask: Do you not watch the games? Do you only watch box scores after the fact?

I agree.

And some fans just don’t understand derivative functions and equate declining performance with negative performance

[Futuregm2]

On pace for 23 home runs and 89 RBIs while playing splendid defense again

The best part is that when he does hit that home run, it's usually late in the game at a time that we really need it to change the trajectory of the momentum to our side.

He's been a winning player, making winning plays on defense and at the plate all year. Nearly 70% of his home runs have come late to tie it, give us the lead or get us back to within 1 in a game we eventually won.

This seems to be lost on a lot of people that live and die by OPS, OPS+ without context. To those, I ask: Do you not watch the games? Do you only watch box scores after the fact?

First Burleson is an elite MLB hitter and now Arenado is having a “great” season?!

Arenado has 10 HR and 39 RBI in 299 PAs. Those are good for T-70th (HR) and T-50th (RBI) and that’s before including his OPS is 133rd among players with at least 200 PAs (208 such players). And his PAs with men on base is the 4th most in baseball at 164, so that is part of the reason he does better in RBIs, he’s had more opportunities than almost any player out there.

[Ozziesfan41]

The cardinals would sure be in a lot worse place if areando had been traded any of the four times Mel said he would be and the unikkkorn was playing everyday at 3rd

[An Old Friend]

last 15 games

.339 .383 .571

The 15 before that

.158 .197 .298

[hullie]

The cardinals would sure be in a lot worse place if areando had been traded any of the four times Mel said he would be and the unikkkorn was playing everyday at 3rd

Gorman blows

[moose-and-squirrel]

last 15 games

.339 .383 .571

The 15 before that

.158 .197 .298

yup, that's why his overall #'s look so 'meh'. but if he's getting in a groove, thats a good thing

[An Old Friend]

last 15 games

.339 .383 .571

The 15 before that

.158 .197 .298

yup, that's why his overall #'s look so 'meh'. but if he's getting in a groove, thats a good thing

Right. “Meh” is not “great” as the OP suggested

[Cusecards]

At the moment for this season he is their best option for 3B especially considering his defense.
Is he worth the $$ he is being paid? No
If they move him and invest the $$ elsewhere fine.
His salary will drop the next two seasons and if they can fit him in the budget fine also.
I think he becomes more of an issue when Wetherholt arrives probably as early as ST 2026.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Nado is what he is. A declining once superstar. He is still the best 3B on the team and a good hitter worth being #6 in the lineup. His salary isn't that onerous any longer and they are a better team keeping him. But the clutch description trying to be sold is not supported by facts or watching. He is what he is.

Will the team win as many games if they trade him? Depends what they get back but if it is mostly for salary relief and prospects then no Gorman probably won't be as good and whoever replaces Gorman on the bench less than him.

Other than ticket sales is it the right baseball move to keep him? Again it depends on what the return is. Honestly he is an OK player now but not a cornerstone guy to a championship team. Plus he IS blocking several guys who might emerge as key championship players like Gorman, JJ, Saggese.

An unemotional view of it is it isn't a critical decision to make right now. They don't save much and no one is offering a great prospect assuming he waived his NTC.

[DickyBennett]

Your definition of “great” is distorted

[Absolut]

Your definition of “great” is distorted

Great point!

[PadsFS07]

On pace for 23 home runs and 89 RBIs while playing splendid defense again

The best part is that when he does hit that home run, it's usually late in the game at a time that we really need it to change the trajectory of the momentum to our side.

He's been a winning player, making winning plays on defense and at the plate all year. Nearly 70% of his home runs have come late to tie it, give us the lead or get us back to within 1 in a game we eventually won.

This seems to be lost on a lot of people that live and die by OPS, OPS+ without context. To those, I ask: Do you not watch the games? Do you only watch box scores after the fact?

You’ve decided to convince yourself of an untrue narrative.

He’s hitting .216 with a .620 OPS and 12 RBI on the road
He’s hitting .206 with a .710 OPS w/ 2 outs and RISP
He’s hitting .220 with 4 HR in late & close situations

When they’re ahead, he has hit .230 with 4 HR and 13 RBI
When they’re behind, he has hit .232 with 4 HR and 13 RBI

He’s decidedly average.

He leads the league in WPA

Curious why you believe that to be true. Did someone tell you that and you believed them? Cause they lied.

He’s like 55th among hitters and 130th overall.

My fault. Twitter post I misread. Good catch, I should’ve looked it up.