Fundamentals

[scoutyjones2]

Winn hasn't accomplished enough to get the yadi treatment.

Gold Glove - No
Top 10 MVP - No
30 hrs - Not close

But O'Neill had those credentials. So who is full of it?

Who said the manager didn't talk to Winn? Glad he was safe against the Dodgers.

If Lil oli talked to him, it didn't sink in. Not the first time he has failed to run.

What part of Yadi treatment escapes you? Cards afford key starters, leeway on expending energy, running out, full speed, on simple ground balls

[hullie]

Masyn Winn decides not to run out a ground ball and it costs the team a run; Victor Scott decides to bunt with two strikes (twice) and both times fouls out; Jordan Walker doesn't have a clue what is required of him to be a team player. Is Marmol to blame for gross mismanagement or these young guys just not prepared right?

Not the first time Winn has failed to run out a ball. Becoming a pattern. Odd that Lil oli didn't bench him and call him out in the media two days in a row. Guess his mantra of always hustling only applies to certain players. He is a worm.

Like LaRussa with Molina and Pujols?

[scoutyjones2]

Masyn Winn decides not to run out a ground ball and it costs the team a run; Victor Scott decides to bunt with two strikes (twice) and both times fouls out; Jordan Walker doesn't have a clue what is required of him to be a team player. Is Marmol to blame for gross mismanagement or these young guys just not prepared right?

Not the first time Winn has failed to run out a ball. Becoming a pattern. Odd that Lil oli didn't bench him and call him out in the media two days in a row. Guess his mantra of always hustling only applies to certain players. He is a worm.

Like LaRussa with Molina and Pujols?

The Yadi treatment...

[JuanAgosto]

Winn hasn't accomplished enough to get the yadi treatment.

Gold Glove - No
Top 10 MVP - No
30 hrs - Not close

But O'Neill had those credentials. So who is full of it?

Winn has over 251 games at age 23...TKO had 170 after age 25. Didn't make the majors till age 23 wasn't even a starter till age 26

One season of 138 games

Great. Winn made it early because Mo had no other legitimate option. O'Neill wasn't even in the organization until mid 2017. And was in StL by 2018. You're argument here proves nothing. O'Neill had accumulated better credentials than Winn has to this point.

[JuanAgosto]

Winn hasn't accomplished enough to get the yadi treatment.

Gold Glove - No
Top 10 MVP - No
30 hrs - Not close

But O'Neill had those credentials. So who is full of it?

Who said the manager didn't talk to Winn? Glad he was safe against the Dodgers.

If Lil oli talked to him, it didn't sink in. Not the first time he has failed to run.

What part of Yadi treatment escapes you? Cards afford key starters, leeway on expending energy, running out, full speed, on simple ground balls

Yadi & Albert were building HOF careers. Winn has not accumulated anything close to those guys. You can't be serious about this argument. Good grief.

[scoutyjones2]

Winn hasn't accomplished enough to get the yadi treatment.

Gold Glove - No
Top 10 MVP - No
30 hrs - Not close

But O'Neill had those credentials. So who is full of it?

Winn has over 251 games at age 23...TKO had 170 after age 25. Didn't make the majors till age 23 wasn't even a starter till age 26

One season of 138 games

Great. Winn made it early because Mo had no other legitimate option. O'Neill wasn't even in the organization until mid 2017. And was in StL by 2018. You're argument here proves nothing. O'Neill had accumulated better credentials than Winn has to this point.

LoL. No, he hasn't, except being incapable of playing a full season. TKO was t in the majors till traded to the Cards. Couldn't make the team in Seattle!

[scoutyjones2]

Winn hasn't accomplished enough to get the yadi treatment.

Gold Glove - No
Top 10 MVP - No
30 hrs - Not close

But O'Neill had those credentials. So who is full of it?

Who said the manager didn't talk to Winn? Glad he was safe against the Dodgers.

If Lil oli talked to him, it didn't sink in. Not the first time he has failed to run.

What part of Yadi treatment escapes you? Cards afford key starters, leeway on expending energy, running out, full speed, on simple ground balls

Yadi & Albert were building HOF careers. Winn has not accumulated anything close to those guys. You can't be serious about this argument. Good grief.

As stated earlier, the announcers asked about Winn not running it out and the comment back was they give leniency as to when to go all out vs lollygagging on a simple ground ball. To paraphrase..

Yadi treatment. Not my argument. Just repeating...

I already said I'd have benched him

[JuanAgosto]

Winn hasn't accomplished enough to get the yadi treatment.

Gold Glove - No
Top 10 MVP - No
30 hrs - Not close

But O'Neill had those credentials. So who is full of it?

Winn has over 251 games at age 23...TKO had 170 after age 25. Didn't make the majors till age 23 wasn't even a starter till age 26

One season of 138 games

Great. Winn made it early because Mo had no other legitimate option. O'Neill wasn't even in the organization until mid 2017. And was in StL by 2018. You're argument here proves nothing. O'Neill had accumulated better credentials than Winn has to this point.

LoL. No, he hasn't, except being incapable of playing a full season. TKO was t in the majors till traded to the Cards. Couldn't make the team in Seattle!

Ok. Maybe Seattle's front office wasn't good? Probably why those people are no longer there. Again, you are really reaching. And have no viable argument when comparing achievements.

[JuanAgosto]

Winn hasn't accomplished enough to get the yadi treatment.

Gold Glove - No
Top 10 MVP - No
30 hrs - Not close

But O'Neill had those credentials. So who is full of it?

Who said the manager didn't talk to Winn? Glad he was safe against the Dodgers.

If Lil oli talked to him, it didn't sink in. Not the first time he has failed to run.

What part of Yadi treatment escapes you? Cards afford key starters, leeway on expending energy, running out, full speed, on simple ground balls

Yadi & Albert were building HOF careers. Winn has not accumulated anything close to those guys. You can't be serious about this argument. Good grief.

As stated earlier, the announcers asked about Winn not running it out and the comment back was they give leniency as to when to go all out vs lollygagging on a simple ground ball. To paraphrase..

Yadi treatment. Not my argument. Just repeating...

I already said I'd have benched him

We agree on this. I think it's just another stupid answer from a pud manager.

[Braund241]

This is the difference between prospects and players that need to be developed Vs. more established big leaguers.

There is no real difference between the Dodgers and the White Sox the Cards just swept. They are all very talented ultra high level baseball players with the tools to be successful and have been at different levels. The tiny things in real competition make all the difference.The chisox can beat the Dodgers on any given day or series, the Dodgers will be way more successful over the long haul because they play cleaner more focused and confident baseball. These games usually just come down to one or two breaks (error, wild pitch, clutch hit, getting runners over, taking an extra base etc) in the fundamentals. All the teams have guys that can run fast, hit hard, throw hard, make contact, it's about execution in a few key spots.

Your premise is logical but having Ohtani, Freeman, and Mookie can cover up a few more mistakes than the ChiSix can afford.

As far as the OP, as a Winn fan, it was tough to watch that play. Even tougher was watching Oli laugh with him as he went back in the dugout. TLR would’ve been chewing his butt all the way back to the dugout, block him from the dugout and chew some more, then probably bench him the rest of the game. Oli needs a little more fire with the young guys and a little less with the umps.

I am not sure Winn needed to be benched, but someone (Oli) needed to get in his ear and tell him that will not EVER happen again. I have seen a number of guys not run it out lately. Run hard on every play. It is only 90 ft and you are in top shape. You never know when the error happens.

And it is still happening today. Lazy, poor fundamentals. No one held responsible. And of course fighting for fourth place. Poor coaching, poor play. Players that should be fighting for wins and major league jobs. Has gotten weird in St. Louis.

[JuanAgosto]

This is the difference between prospects and players that need to be developed Vs. more established big leaguers.

There is no real difference between the Dodgers and the White Sox the Cards just swept. They are all very talented ultra high level baseball players with the tools to be successful and have been at different levels. The tiny things in real competition make all the difference.The chisox can beat the Dodgers on any given day or series, the Dodgers will be way more successful over the long haul because they play cleaner more focused and confident baseball. These games usually just come down to one or two breaks (error, wild pitch, clutch hit, getting runners over, taking an extra base etc) in the fundamentals. All the teams have guys that can run fast, hit hard, throw hard, make contact, it's about execution in a few key spots.

Your premise is logical but having Ohtani, Freeman, and Mookie can cover up a few more mistakes than the ChiSix can afford.

As far as the OP, as a Winn fan, it was tough to watch that play. Even tougher was watching Oli laugh with him as he went back in the dugout. TLR would’ve been chewing his butt all the way back to the dugout, block him from the dugout and chew some more, then probably bench him the rest of the game. Oli needs a little more fire with the young guys and a little less with the umps.

I am not sure Winn needed to be benched, but someone (Oli) needed to get in his ear and tell him that will not EVER happen again. I have seen a number of guys not run it out lately. Run hard on every play. It is only 90 ft and you are in top shape. You never know when the error happens.

And it is still happening today. Lazy, poor fundamentals. No one held responsible. And of course fighting for fourth place. Poor coaching, poor play. Players that should be fighting for wins and major league jobs. Has gotten weird in St. Louis.

What you get when Mo hires a puppet pud as a manager.