Blues rumors?

[seattleblue]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Already tanking a season before free agency? Thats gotta be a record for a playoff caliber team

No such thing as tanking.
It's just a word that people use to make another's argument look weak.
And again. We are not even a small contender without filling that second line center hole.

Reaching a lottery pick is unfeasible to the point of it being moot right now, end of story.

So that is a literal waste of time to think or talk about.

Technically; every non-PO team is in the Lottery.
But we're not going to be bad enough to have good odds in it.
Pittsburgh and SJ have the market cornered on "sucking" and there's a strong secondary group to fight through to get to a top 5 pick(Nashville, Philly, Buffalo, Utah, Chicago, Seattle) for any kind of realistic shot at the #1 overall.

I was responding to his plain meaning because I didn't think he was making an argument that we should finish 13-16 even though that is of course technically participating in the lottery. I could have taken the extra time to cover all technical possibilities. But instead, I chose not to that time.

[Army's Mom]

Granlund will score points but he’s also not great defensively so in the end, how much would he actually help the team? He’s also poor on face offs, undersized, better on the wing and my guess is he’ll cost around $5M/year.

My preferred route is probably via trade (someone already signed to a respecta me AAV) but the one UFA center I’d be interested in would be Christian Dvorak. Not a sexy name and he’d be more a 3C than a 2C but he’s quite good defensively and likely wouldn’t cost much. Would or at least should be a good upgrade on Sunny as 3C. And if they’re going to pair this guy with Bolduc, a defensively responsible C could really help that line.

Sign me up for the Dvorak club. It also appears he's on the outs in MON.

[moose-and-squirrel]

anyone else find it interesting that Suter hasn't announced his retirement yet?

chances he'd play one more year as a 7d?

[STL fan in MN]

anyone else find it interesting that Suter hasn't announced his retirement yet?

chances he'd play one more year as a 7d?

Strick tweeted a day or two ago that Suter is still undecided on if he wants to play another year or not.

[b-a-a-a-rclay]

Granlund will score points but he’s also not great defensively so in the end, how much would he actually help the team? He’s also poor on face offs, undersized, better on the wing and my guess is he’ll cost around $5M/year.

My preferred route is probably via trade (someone already signed to a respecta me AAV) but the one UFA center I’d be interested in would be Christian Dvorak. Not a sexy name and he’d be more a 3C than a 2C but he’s quite good defensively and likely wouldn’t cost much. Would or at least should be a good upgrade on Sunny as 3C. And if they’re going to pair this guy with Bolduc, a defensively responsible C could really help that line.

Some people in this thread think Granlund would be good here. You and I don't think he is a great fit for this team. Regardless, most likely he will want too many years for our purpose, and he won't be a cheap contract at all. So, it probably won't happen. We'll see.

[TampaBlues78]

Granlund will score points but he’s also not great defensively so in the end, how much would he actually help the team? He’s also poor on face offs, undersized, better on the wing and my guess is he’ll cost around $5M/year.

My preferred route is probably via trade (someone already signed to a respecta me AAV) but the one UFA center I’d be interested in would be Christian Dvorak. Not a sexy name and he’d be more a 3C than a 2C but he’s quite good defensively and likely wouldn’t cost much. Would or at least should be a good upgrade on Sunny as 3C. And if they’re going to pair this guy with Bolduc, a defensively responsible C could really help that line.

Some people in this thread think Granlund would be good here. You and I don't think he is a great fit for this team. Regardless, most likely he will want too many years for our purpose, and he won't be a cheap contract at all. So, it probably won't happen. We'll see.

I am not opposed to Granlund, I honestly haven’t looked up his stats just remember him when he played against the blues.. i’ll have to look up his stats I just hope that he’s not our only get this offseason

[Cahokanut]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Pray tell. Where did this “rumor” come from?

So it’s all or nothing? Cup or Lottery? We were 1.6 seconds away from round 2 with last year’s team and looking at how things turned out it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out with us in the mix. You don’t just bag that and hope for a lotto pick greenie.

That rumour has been going around. I think it will be on his statue....

Cup or lottery, makes a good slogan. But if we are not building for a cup. We need to be looking at the future. A lottery in next year's draft sets the future up to being contenders. Instead of riding the bubble for another old guys no move contract. We need to keep building with youth. Whether that's a young center traded for, or a elite out of next year's draft.

About those two seconds. Let talk 2 minutes. I wouldn't be bragging about losing against probably the worse playoff goalie, at the time.
We wasn't, aren't, won't be a second round team. We are a bubble team that can go as far as Binny can take us.

Ah the dreaded “going around”. No actual link as I suspected.
Even if he doesn’t score one this offseason, I suspect that it would be because once teams have one they’re loathe to let them go.
Binny took us all the way to a Cup so I don’t see round 2 as a particular challenge.
Ok, I’ve fed you enough, back under your bridge.

You need a link for something we have lived. Too funny.


Let me guess. The guy under the bridge, along with the rest of those that see clearly. Have been right each year about what this team is, and those who are not trolls have been wrong.

Weve needed a 2c for years. Why has Army not got one.
Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy.

[seattleblue]

We are literally coming off an offseason where Armstrong essentially traded a 3d round pick for a PPG 1st line LW ...

In that context "Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy" is holding up a placard that says "hi all, I'm stupid"

[TheJackBurton]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Pray tell. Where did this “rumor” come from?

So it’s all or nothing? Cup or Lottery? We were 1.6 seconds away from round 2 with last year’s team and looking at how things turned out it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out with us in the mix. You don’t just bag that and hope for a lotto pick greenie.

That rumour has been going around. I think it will be on his statue....

Cup or lottery, makes a good slogan. But if we are not building for a cup. We need to be looking at the future. A lottery in next year's draft sets the future up to being contenders. Instead of riding the bubble for another old guys no move contract. We need to keep building with youth. Whether that's a young center traded for, or a elite out of next year's draft.

About those two seconds. Let talk 2 minutes. I wouldn't be bragging about losing against probably the worse playoff goalie, at the time.
We wasn't, aren't, won't be a second round team. We are a bubble team that can go as far as Binny can take us.

Ah the dreaded “going around”. No actual link as I suspected.
Even if he doesn’t score one this offseason, I suspect that it would be because once teams have one they’re loathe to let them go.
Binny took us all the way to a Cup so I don’t see round 2 as a particular challenge.
Ok, I’ve fed you enough, back under your bridge.

You need a link for something we have lived. Too funny.


Let me guess. The guy under the bridge, along with the rest of those that see clearly. Have been right each year about what this team is, and those who are not trolls have been wrong.

Weve needed a 2c for years. Why has Army not got one.
Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy.

We've needed one for about 2 seasons. 3 years ago it was Thomas. Last off season the market for 2nd line centers in UFA was insane and a decent amount of those contracts are already looking bad. Hell the Avs just gave 34 year old Brock Nelson 8 mil a year, that should tell you everything.

Right now the hardest positions on the ice to fill are 2nd line center and RHD. If he just fills one of those this off season we'll be in a much better position.

[Harry S Deals]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Pray tell. Where did this “rumor” come from?

So it’s all or nothing? Cup or Lottery? We were 1.6 seconds away from round 2 with last year’s team and looking at how things turned out it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out with us in the mix. You don’t just bag that and hope for a lotto pick greenie.

That rumour has been going around. I think it will be on his statue....

Cup or lottery, makes a good slogan. But if we are not building for a cup. We need to be looking at the future. A lottery in next year's draft sets the future up to being contenders. Instead of riding the bubble for another old guys no move contract. We need to keep building with youth. Whether that's a young center traded for, or a elite out of next year's draft.

About those two seconds. Let talk 2 minutes. I wouldn't be bragging about losing against probably the worse playoff goalie, at the time.
We wasn't, aren't, won't be a second round team. We are a bubble team that can go as far as Binny can take us.

Ah the dreaded “going around”. No actual link as I suspected.
Even if he doesn’t score one this offseason, I suspect that it would be because once teams have one they’re loathe to let them go.
Binny took us all the way to a Cup so I don’t see round 2 as a particular challenge.
Ok, I’ve fed you enough, back under your bridge.

You need a link for something we have lived. Too funny.


Let me guess. The guy under the bridge, along with the rest of those that see clearly. Have been right each year about what this team is, and those who are not trolls have been wrong.

Weve needed a 2c for years. Why has Army not got one.
Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy.

We've needed one for about 2 seasons. 3 years ago it was Thomas. Last off season the market for 2nd line centers in UFA was insane and a decent amount of those contracts are already looking bad. Hell the Avs just gave 34 year old Brock Nelson 8 mil a year, that should tell you everything.

Right now the hardest positions on the ice to fill are 2nd line center and RHD. If he just fills one of those this off season we'll be in a much better position.

Schenn had 50 pts last year he's the 2C no doubt unless Army comes up with someone better

[Cahokanut]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Pray tell. Where did this “rumor” come from?

So it’s all or nothing? Cup or Lottery? We were 1.6 seconds away from round 2 with last year’s team and looking at how things turned out it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out with us in the mix. You don’t just bag that and hope for a lotto pick greenie.

That rumour has been going around. I think it will be on his statue....

Cup or lottery, makes a good slogan. But if we are not building for a cup. We need to be looking at the future. A lottery in next year's draft sets the future up to being contenders. Instead of riding the bubble for another old guys no move contract. We need to keep building with youth. Whether that's a young center traded for, or a elite out of next year's draft.

About those two seconds. Let talk 2 minutes. I wouldn't be bragging about losing against probably the worse playoff goalie, at the time.
We wasn't, aren't, won't be a second round team. We are a bubble team that can go as far as Binny can take us.

Ah the dreaded “going around”. No actual link as I suspected.
Even if he doesn’t score one this offseason, I suspect that it would be because once teams have one they’re loathe to let them go.
Binny took us all the way to a Cup so I don’t see round 2 as a particular challenge.
Ok, I’ve fed you enough, back under your bridge.

You need a link for something we have lived. Too funny.


Let me guess. The guy under the bridge, along with the rest of those that see clearly. Have been right each year about what this team is, and those who are not trolls have been wrong.

Weve needed a 2c for years. Why has Army not got one.
Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy.

We've needed one for about 2 seasons. 3 years ago it was Thomas. Last off season the market for 2nd line centers in UFA was insane and a decent amount of those contracts are already looking bad. Hell the Avs just gave 34 year old Brock Nelson 8 mil a year, that should tell you everything.

Right now the hardest positions on the ice to fill are 2nd line center and RHD. If he just fills one of those this off season we'll be in a much better position.

Schenn had 50 pts last year he's the 2C no doubt unless Army comes up with someone better

Yeah I get it. He is our second line center, because Army can't get it done.

Schenns 50 points. Probably cost his linemates 10-15 goals and points associated.

My point is. Schenn at 2c is again going home after one round because that's as far as Binny alone can takes us.

Yes I enjoyed last year's team and the run. Fun hockey is fun. But watching. I understand every team has good players, veteran leadership, hyped youth, hard workers, and solid goaltending. With their own greatest fans, and I'd rank us high on all those list maybe .2 from the top and maybe point .2 from the bottom. Some positions we are moving up, others down.

We are the case study in 50yr apart championships. That's why Army needs to either Do what's needed. In getting a young offensive 2c, or do what's needed. In getting our next 1c.

No one tanks. Most teams will give it a go. The difference in a top 5 pick and a past 15 pick, is the time of the year management is able to evaluate what they have compared to the league.

I will enjoy either way. But this team this a potential generational 1c going into next year, really changes things.

[moose-and-squirrel]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Pray tell. Where did this “rumor” come from?

So it’s all or nothing? Cup or Lottery? We were 1.6 seconds away from round 2 with last year’s team and looking at how things turned out it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out with us in the mix. You don’t just bag that and hope for a lotto pick greenie.

That rumour has been going around. I think it will be on his statue....

Cup or lottery, makes a good slogan. But if we are not building for a cup. We need to be looking at the future. A lottery in next year's draft sets the future up to being contenders. Instead of riding the bubble for another old guys no move contract. We need to keep building with youth. Whether that's a young center traded for, or a elite out of next year's draft.

About those two seconds. Let talk 2 minutes. I wouldn't be bragging about losing against probably the worse playoff goalie, at the time.
We wasn't, aren't, won't be a second round team. We are a bubble team that can go as far as Binny can take us.

Ah the dreaded “going around”. No actual link as I suspected.
Even if he doesn’t score one this offseason, I suspect that it would be because once teams have one they’re loathe to let them go.
Binny took us all the way to a Cup so I don’t see round 2 as a particular challenge.
Ok, I’ve fed you enough, back under your bridge.

You need a link for something we have lived. Too funny.


Let me guess. The guy under the bridge, along with the rest of those that see clearly. Have been right each year about what this team is, and those who are not trolls have been wrong.

Weve needed a 2c for years. Why has Army not got one.
Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy.

what young talent got traded for a 3rd line old guy?

[netboy65]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Pray tell. Where did this “rumor” come from?

So it’s all or nothing? Cup or Lottery? We were 1.6 seconds away from round 2 with last year’s team and looking at how things turned out it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out with us in the mix. You don’t just bag that and hope for a lotto pick greenie.

That rumour has been going around. I think it will be on his statue....

Cup or lottery, makes a good slogan. But if we are not building for a cup. We need to be looking at the future. A lottery in next year's draft sets the future up to being contenders. Instead of riding the bubble for another old guys no move contract. We need to keep building with youth. Whether that's a young center traded for, or a elite out of next year's draft.

About those two seconds. Let talk 2 minutes. I wouldn't be bragging about losing against probably the worse playoff goalie, at the time.
We wasn't, aren't, won't be a second round team. We are a bubble team that can go as far as Binny can take us.

Ah the dreaded “going around”. No actual link as I suspected.
Even if he doesn’t score one this offseason, I suspect that it would be because once teams have one they’re loathe to let them go.
Binny took us all the way to a Cup so I don’t see round 2 as a particular challenge.
Ok, I’ve fed you enough, back under your bridge.

You need a link for something we have lived. Too funny.


Let me guess. The guy under the bridge, along with the rest of those that see clearly. Have been right each year about what this team is, and those who are not trolls have been wrong.

Weve needed a 2c for years. Why has Army not got one.
Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy.

We've needed one for about 2 seasons. 3 years ago it was Thomas. Last off season the market for 2nd line centers in UFA was insane and a decent amount of those contracts are already looking bad. Hell the Avs just gave 34 year old Brock Nelson 8 mil a year, that should tell you everything.

Right now the hardest positions on the ice to fill are 2nd line center and RHD. If he just fills one of those this off season we'll be in a much better position.

Schenn had 50 pts last year he's the 2C no doubt unless Army comes up with someone better

Yeah I get it. He is our second line center, because Army can't get it done.

Schenns 50 points. Probably cost his linemates 10-15 goals and points associated.

My point is. Schenn at 2c is again going home after one round because that's as far as Binny alone can takes us.

Yes I enjoyed last year's team and the run. Fun hockey is fun. But watching. I understand every team has good players, veteran leadership, hyped youth, hard workers, and solid goaltending. With their own greatest fans, and I'd rank us high on all those list maybe .2 from the top and maybe point .2 from the bottom. Some positions we are moving up, others down.

We are the case study in 50yr apart championships. That's why Army needs to either Do what's needed. In getting a young offensive 2c, or do what's needed. In getting our next 1c.

No one tanks. Most teams will give it a go. The difference in a top 5 pick and a past 15 pick, is the time of the year management is able to evaluate what they have compared to the league.

I will enjoy either way. But this team this a potential generational 1c going into next year, really changes things.

Who should Army go get then? So we’re throwing a mega deal at a guy and just forgetting about DD then?

Schenn isn’t the long term solution, we all agree on that but he seems to be doing fine for now.

[Corban84]

"doing fine". Schenn is a weakness at 2c, at 3c he is adequate for now.

I would say this is a need over defense. We don't know if DD will pan out, things are pointing in the right direction, but id rather have too many centers than not enough.

[moose-and-squirrel]

"doing fine". Schenn is a weakness at 2c, at 3c he is adequate for now.

I would say this is a need over defense. We don't know if DD will pan out, things are pointing in the right direction, but id rather have too many centers than not enough.

so what they're looking for in a 2c:
decent on FO's
200' 2 way game
some physicality
can play special teams
decent skater
stop gap till DD arrives

this describes Schenn... no, he's not the long term solution, as has been noted. he fits what they need NOW

[Bacchk29]

I heard a rumour that Army can't pull off a deal for a young 2c
And that's why we are again(year 5) talking about old guys we hope can fill 3rd line center.

We are not a small contender with Schenn at 2c. If we are not going to build a cup contender. We need a lottery pick next year.

Pray tell. Where did this “rumor” come from?

So it’s all or nothing? Cup or Lottery? We were 1.6 seconds away from round 2 with last year’s team and looking at how things turned out it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out with us in the mix. You don’t just bag that and hope for a lotto pick greenie.

That rumour has been going around. I think it will be on his statue....

Cup or lottery, makes a good slogan. But if we are not building for a cup. We need to be looking at the future. A lottery in next year's draft sets the future up to being contenders. Instead of riding the bubble for another old guys no move contract. We need to keep building with youth. Whether that's a young center traded for, or a elite out of next year's draft.

About those two seconds. Let talk 2 minutes. I wouldn't be bragging about losing against probably the worse playoff goalie, at the time.
We wasn't, aren't, won't be a second round team. We are a bubble team that can go as far as Binny can take us.

Ah the dreaded “going around”. No actual link as I suspected.
Even if he doesn’t score one this offseason, I suspect that it would be because once teams have one they’re loathe to let them go.
Binny took us all the way to a Cup so I don’t see round 2 as a particular challenge.
Ok, I’ve fed you enough, back under your bridge.

You need a link for something we have lived. Too funny.


Let me guess. The guy under the bridge, along with the rest of those that see clearly. Have been right each year about what this team is, and those who are not trolls have been wrong.

Weve needed a 2c for years. Why has Army not got one.
Why can other teams trade for young talent. Yet we can only trade young talent for a hard working 200' third line old guy.

We've needed one for about 2 seasons. 3 years ago it was Thomas. Last off season the market for 2nd line centers in UFA was insane and a decent amount of those contracts are already looking bad. Hell the Avs just gave 34 year old Brock Nelson 8 mil a year, that should tell you everything.

Right now the hardest positions on the ice to fill are 2nd line center and RHD. If he just fills one of those this off season we'll be in a much better position.

Schenn had 50 pts last year he's the 2C no doubt unless Army comes up with someone better

Yeah I get it. He is our second line center, because Army can't get it done.

Schenns 50 points. Probably cost his linemates 10-15 goals and points associated.

My point is. Schenn at 2c is again going home after one round because that's as far as Binny alone can takes us.

Yes I enjoyed last year's team and the run. Fun hockey is fun. But watching. I understand every team has good players, veteran leadership, hyped youth, hard workers, and solid goaltending. With their own greatest fans, and I'd rank us high on all those list maybe .2 from the top and maybe point .2 from the bottom. Some positions we are moving up, others down.

We are the case study in 50yr apart championships. That's why Army needs to either Do what's needed. In getting a young offensive 2c, or do what's needed. In getting our next 1c.

No one tanks. Most teams will give it a go. The difference in a top 5 pick and a past 15 pick, is the time of the year management is able to evaluate what they have compared to the league.

I will enjoy either way. But this team this a potential generational 1c going into next year, really changes things.

Who should Army go get then? So we’re throwing a mega deal at a guy and just forgetting about DD then?

Schenn isn’t the long term solution, we all agree on that but he seems to be doing fine for now.

Dvorsky is gonna get his chance to play 3C hopefully he’s good enough.